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????? You be the judge

Discussion in 'American Bully' started by self_made, Jun 1, 2011.

  1. self_made

    self_made Little Dog

    Now if you was refering to extreme I totally see the EB I think thats the problem is people get pocket and extreme mixed up. Just because it's a certain height. These are extreme's and you can see the difference. between extreme and pocket. extreme.jpg extreme bully 010.JPG
     
  2. Kamdon

    Kamdon GRCH Dog

    Where is that one clown that came in here with his mess of a dog? It had the curlt tail and all like a eb. It was thick like bully but had 3" legs and a curly tail. And I mean eb tail, not azull curly

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    Ill see if I cant find his post and put up the link

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    Found it! Look at this shit.

    What ya think
     
  3. Gatorpit

    Gatorpit Good Dog

    That and the tails (sometimes). But I've seen EB tails (kinked, short, curly, and naturally bobbed) in just about every class of Ambully.
     
  4. self_made

    self_made Little Dog

    the dogs ya'll are refering to are not POCKET you are refering to extreme there is a difference. I THINK EXTREME BULLY DO HAVE EB IN THEM. BUT, I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANY POCKET BULLIES HAVE ANY EB TRAITS. NOT SAYING THEY AREN'T ANY BUT, I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANY AFTER THE 1000'S OF POCKET BULLIES I HAVE SEEN. 90% OF THE DOGS IN THAT VIDEO WAS EXTREME NOT POCKET.
     
  5. pookie!

    pookie! GRCH Dog

    I think the main problem is the bully world is so damn confusing you dont know what class is what :lol::no2:
     
  6. Kamdon

    Kamdon GRCH Dog

    I keep getting them crossed. My bad
     
  7. Bubblz Calhoun

    Bubblz Calhoun Good Dog

    Just like not every EB has bowed legs, easty westy feet, swayed or roach back the same goes for American Bullies no matter what class. Even though these traits are more of an issue in EBs than any other Bully breed. Very few people will be honest enough to say what they mixed in to get the specific traits they desired but it's a guarantee that it happens. EB, SBT, FB maybe even a Pug,... because that would be admitting the dog is no longer the Pit bulls that some people continue to call them.

    With a lot of the smaller Am Bullies if you shorten the muzzle (some just a tad) and un crop the ears,.. then stand them next to an EB. You tell me which is which,.. we can all search on the internet and find good and bad examples of any breed. Unfortunately right now the Am Bully world has more bad examples than good,.. but there are people working on that. Just as hard as there are people screwing it up.

    These are all good looking dogs by ABKC Pocket standards but,.. questionable.

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  8. self_made

    self_made Little Dog

    I don't see that point at all as far as pockets go I really don't see the EB mixed in the theory as far as extreme I can see it 100% and its on almost every extreme bully you see you see the EB but, on a pocket I rarely see it. And, I ain't ashamed or afraid to admit it there is not 1 american bully that is full blooded APBT. But, if you breed a apbt to a english bulldog do you still have a pit mix? They are just like every other breed that has been created by a mix. SBT was created by WHAT????? And, over 100's of other breeds was created my mixing. But, the point I see is that so many shallow minded thoughts would say that there is EB in majority of the pocket bullies. When clearly there is not." These are all good looking dogs by ABKC Pocket standards but,.. questionable." Don't see how its questionable it's there standards. The first reg. to write a standard on the bully. Do you question AKC about the SBT or toy poodles or when they accept labradoodles will that be questioned. ABKC catches so much heat am. bullies catch so much heat what people need to understand this is a new breed. Mistakes and problems will come about. God didn't have bullies for Noah to put on the Arc. We made them it's gonna be problems. Not one breed started out great.
     
  9. AmberL

    AmberL Good Dog

    No actually my first reaction was, that is not a bully that is a staffy.... he is cute but his elbows look turned in. Could be the angle.
     
  10. self_made

    self_made Little Dog

  11. Bubblz Calhoun

    Bubblz Calhoun Good Dog

    You're contradicting yourself,.. either you see it or you don't,.. its one or the other, you can't have it both ways. Rarely,.. is still there. Maybe you're in denial and you just don't want to see it,.. or even believe that the resemblance is there more often than not. Maybe its not an APBT x EB it could still be a SBT x FB for all anyone knows but the people who where there for the breeding. Some of them don't even know if another dog snuck a nut and got in on some action. But they'll still call the odd one out and APBT or Bully before questioning the breeding.

    Yes it would still be a mix since they are now separate Breeds with different Standards and have been for decades. Whether they were mixed back in the day or not it was for a purpose that led them down different paths creating different breeds with different Standards.

    SBTs and Toy Poodles are breeds that have been around for decades with Standards that are consistent with the dogs that are produced. You can look at a Labrador, Poodle and Labradoodle and tell the doodle's mixed. Depending on the dog (doodle) picked there will be some similarities from each breed that conforms to each Standard. That doesn't change the fact that it's still a mixed breed dog. It's not recognized by the AKC or any other long term legitimate Registry. Even if they AKC or UKC does decide to recognize Labradoodles as a breed, they will have a set Standard that we know consists of only 2 breeds

    The ABKC and AM Bullies catch so much heat because there's very little consistency in the dogs themselves let alone their Standards. With people breeding them for the wrong reasons and with out any consideration of how the dogs are affected by it. But like I said before there are people working on that,.. only time will tell how things pan out.
     
  12. LailaBug

    LailaBug Big Dog

    Pictures 3, 4, and 5 are SBTs. The first 2 are pocket pit Ambullies.
     
  13. self_made

    self_made Little Dog

    "You're contradicting yourself,.. either you see it or you don't,.. its one or the other, you can't have it both ways. Rarely,.. is still there. Maybe you're in denial and you just don't want to see it,.. " Contradicting my self how A POCKET AND A EXTREME BULLY ARE TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT DOGS. LOOK UP THE CLASSES NO I AM NOT CONTRADICTING MYSELF. You have 5 different classes ass research. A pocket bully isn't a extreme bully nor is it a classic bully or a standard its a pocket. When I SAY I DON'T SEE IT IN A POCKET BULLY DOSN'T MEAN I DON'T SEE IT IN A EXTREME BULLY. How hard is that to read I am not contradicting myself. You do get some people who cross the so there is a chance that it could be crossed in but you don't see it as often in Pocket I have honestly never seen it. And I don't give a damn about admiting anything I ain't in denial about nothing. I don't give a shit if you or obama thinks my dog is mixed with a min. horse. I don't care denial is what I am far from. I have a wondering mind just cause I see a short dog with a block head and wide chest I don't be on auto to EB. I know that there are other ways of getting it. I am not that simple minded. Oh and yes it is in talk with the AKC about accepting labradoodles. And, yes all those other mixes have been around for decades but, they all had to start some where.

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    "You're contradicting yourself,.. either you see it or you don't,.. its one or the other, you can't have it both ways. Rarely,.. is still there. Maybe you're in denial and you just don't want to see it,.. " Contradicting my self how A POCKET AND A EXTREME BULLY ARE TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT DOGS. LOOK UP THE CLASSES NO I AM NOT CONTRADICTING MYSELF. You have 5 different classes ass research. A pocket bully isn't a extreme bully nor is it a classic bully or a standard its a pocket. When I SAY I DON'T SEE IT IN A POCKET BULLY DOSN'T MEAN I DON'T SEE IT IN A EXTREME BULLY. How hard is that to read I am not contradicting myself. You do get some people who cross the so there is a chance that it could be crossed in but you don't see it as often in Pocket I have honestly never seen it. And I don't give a damn about admiting anything I ain't in denial about nothing. I don't give a shit if you or obama thinks my dog is mixed with a min. horse. I don't care denial is what I am far from. I have a wondering mind just cause I see a short dog with a block head and wide chest I don't be on auto to EB. I know that there are other ways of getting it. I am not that simple minded. Oh and yes it is in talk with the AKC about accepting labradoodles. And, yes all those other mixes have been around for decades but, they all had to start some where.

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    Just like I could say a classic favors a AST and a pocket favors a SBT and a Extreme favors EB, thats not contridicting myself

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    they are 3 different dogs
     
  14. LailaBug

    LailaBug Big Dog

    I can agree with that. It does not matter to me what may be mixed in to create the breed. Something was mixed in, I just do think the different classes should be considered different breeds. Too much variation to be one. I understand crossing breeds in is how you move to creating a new breed of dog. So to me, it is just speculation of what is in there. I have often thought that SBTs were in there as well, but them some Ambullies (probably the extreme like you say) look a lot like EBs. Just stating what I see, not trying to argue whether I am right or not. But just love your breed for whatever it is. It is not worth getting upset over how we might think it was created, since we may never really know for sure.
     
  15. Bubblz Calhoun

    Bubblz Calhoun Good Dog

    :lol: Wow,.. seriously,.. a little butt hurt huh that's fine the truth hurts.

    But profanity is unnecessary,.. you started this thread,.. whether you like the responses you get or not. That doesn't change the fact that it's true,.. whether you see it, believe it or not. It's in bold print,.. you contradicting yourself. Either you see the resemblance and why people say they're mixed with EB, what ever breed or you don't. You kept saying "
    the dogs ya'll are refering to are not POCKET" so I posted ABKC Standard Pockets with pics. When you reference what they supposedly came from and how they started, to what they look like now,.. that makes them questionable.

    You keep saying the same things and they have been answered more than once,.. so what's the point of this thread?
     
  16. self_made

    self_made Little Dog

    I agree with what you are saying a 100% but, it's the ones that get on and post what they know nothing about that gets to me it's not the fact of disagreement because disagreement is what makes the world turn politics I don't have a problem with that. What I have a problem with is someone telling me I am contradicting myself when they don't know what they are talking about theirself. I agree to disagree it's all about learning and keeping a open mind. I never one time not said that I don't think the EB was not used in the mixed. I said I didn't think it was used in the pockets. "atleast all the 1000's I have seen." And yes I think all of them should be different breds.

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    To where they have came from?????? Do you even understand what you are saying. Dave wilson clearly said he mixed the apbt with the staff. terrier. Which staff terrier did he mix with how do we know he didn't mix with SBT or AST because the dogs he started out breeding isn't the sameone's he is still breeding. And, the point of the thread is to show a what I saw and have been thinking of as a possible mix that have went in on creating pocket bullies and to get others input who knows the difference in classes of american bullies and some who ASSume stuff. And no never butt hurt. Never had a butt hurt and never will don't have feelings to hurt. Just get annoyed very easy by people who assume.

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    LMAO All my feelings was lost at Parris Island BUTT HURT REALLY

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    I am done ;-) and no I didn't contradict myself
     
  17. Bubblz Calhoun

    Bubblz Calhoun Good Dog

    Yeah,.. really clever "ASSume" like that hasn't been used before :rolleyes: But here's a correction for you :) since you don't know but seem to know. Dave Wilson said his self a number of times that he bred APBTs to ASTs to get Am Bullies before they (other people) started to go in a different direction.

    But that also goes back to what I said before. "
    Very few people will be honest enough to say what they mixed in to get the specific traits they desired but it's a guarantee that it happens. EB, SBT, FB may be even a Pug,... because that would be admitting the dog is no longer the Pit bulls that some people continue to call them."
     
  18. FrostFell

    FrostFell Puppy

    IMO this dog looks nothing like any Am Bully. It looks like exactly what it is, a SBT.
     

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