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xl bulldogs whats wrong with them?

Discussion in 'Dog Debates' started by Dunk29, Feb 10, 2010.

  1. jsorrow

    jsorrow Big Dog

    ditto :)
  2. Pink

    Pink GRCH Dog

    thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!
  3. Jgo

    Jgo Puppy

    Much like everything here in America the wide spread belief is the bigger the better people are just hard wired in that way..... I personally like that size of my dog. If I wanted a Rottweiler I'd get him I just don't like that look of said dog personal opinion.

    One question are we talking about this?:


    :rofl2: It just aint right man
  4. Budboy88

    Budboy88 Good Dog

  5. Pink

    Pink GRCH Dog

    Yeah Cleo is registered as an APBT. But almost her whole six generation ped is AmBully.

    I thought she was APBT until I joined this forum. When i found out she was an AmBully i was just fine with it and i still am. Shes beautiful no matter what she is! :)
  6. jsorrow

    jsorrow Big Dog

    Then save your hate for the breeder not the breed and their owners, and that dog shouldnt be registered period. Really it shouldnt be alive.
    Last edited by a moderator: Feb 10, 2010
  7. Budboy88

    Budboy88 Good Dog

    Thats a great thing, you are open enough to learn the truth, but ive found thay many bully owners continue to call their dogs APBTs even after people attempt to educate them about AmBullies
  8. monkeys23

    monkeys23 GRCH Dog


    Well said...
  9. ColbyDogs

    ColbyDogs Big Dog

    Whts wrong with them ? That is a legit question, one that has many answers and varying opinions....this is mine.

    I am a traditionalist, I believe that all breeds of dog were bred with a purpose ( most all breeds have/had a real working purpose) reasons why there are so many variations of dog breeds. Depending on the required task determines the dog that one will use for the job. When creating or altering a breed there should be a working purpose for such a need to fabricate a new breed of dog. Whatever your creation is, it should be to improve on the current dog, make them more efficient at the job being aksed of it. The American Bully has no real working purpose, they much like the cute Puggles, Labradoodles, & Cockapoo's are nothing more than fad breedings. They serve no real function beside as being a designer pet and that I find apauling.

    I have asked several AmBully breeders as to how thier new creation has improved on the original breed used, thier answer ?......still waiting to hear one. I see no tangable proof that this new breed has improved on the APBT, in fact, I only see the reverse effect, I do not see any improvement what-so-ever but rather a mockery of the breed they are being labled under. They are not faster, they are not more agile, they do not possess more stamina or natural wind, so I ask.....how did this new version of the APBT ( Ambully ) improve on the original version ? The answer .....They haven't !

    This breed is already under much public and legal scrutiny, we do not need another version to muddy the waters even more than what it currently has. The APBT has already ingrained fear into the JQP's mind, now with these 100+ lbs dogs they now have the menacing face to acompany the horror stories that they have been spoon fed about our dogs. When people who own this new fad breed cannot tell the difference of what they own then how is the JQP suppose to know ? Majority of the people that I have seen or been in contact with still cling dearly that this new breed is still the original APBT, its not, but yet because they paid so damn much for them they do not want to come to grips with reality that they over payed for a possible mix bred dog.

    I do not fault the dogs, I actually feel sorry for the dogs, they didn't ask to be born or exploited as they have. I hold the breeder and fanciers responsible for these genetic mutations. By embracing this new fad, all it has done is pushed the envelope and encourage others to try and out-do the next guy by breeding for even more exaggerated features that lead to the unhealthy dogs we are seeing today and that is nothing I could nor would I ever support.
  10. Budboy88

    Budboy88 Good Dog

    once again very well said
  11. Tiffseagles

    Tiffseagles GRCH Dog Premium Member

  12. ganja

    ganja Good Dog

    we don't hate these dogs...
    it's just personally, not my cup of tea..
    I know however, my boyfriend likes them alot, and I won't be surprised if I have one to feed one day sadly enough, not because I won't like the dog, but I'm the kind of person that likes a dog to work with, that can keep up with me and I don't see the ambully fit for it.
    and it will eventually take the spot that a good working dog could have gotten...

    back on topic...

    what I don't like about most ambully's is all the hype around them... the bad ass image most owners/breeders like to give them, with their HUGE spiked collars etc.
    it really doesn't help the image of the breed...

    another thing that I hate about most ambully owners/breeders is that they label them as american pit bull terriërs, wich they clearly aren't.
    that's why I said it doesn't help the breeds image, they are not the same breed, but because of those owners/breeders, the general public and clueless owners thinks they are.

    the prices asked for most those dogs are RIDICULOUS... going over the 6K for some! those dog's that are walking genetic disasters, fat, overdone, un-healthy dog that will probably end up with HD because of all the weight they have to carry on such short legs and so on.
    I actually think that is animal cruelty right there and I feel bad for those overdone hippo's.

    I bolded most because there are good examples of the breed, but unfortunately, there are not many...

    IMO, although he pretends otherwise, I think dave wilson is clueless when it comes to breeding dogs.
    he wanted to create a new breed, but IMO it takes a GOOD breeder to do that. and he clearly didn't go the right way...
    a breed takes YEARS to be established, and the ambully is the perfect example of this by throwing non-consistant dogs.

    some might say the apbt doesn't really throw dogs that are perfect copy's of each other, but the apbt is a working breed, and that's a huge difference...

    anyways.. it's getting long so I'll leave it at that lol...

    ---------- Post added at 06:54 AM ---------- Previous post was at 06:43 AM ----------

    funny thing is, most apbt fanciers seem to be more educated on ambully's than the actual ambully fanciers are... :rolleyes:
  13. Slowanlow

    Slowanlow Little Dog

    Tell me thats a tshirt.....it should be

  14. hogar

    hogar Good Dog

    I think these are beautiful animals do not own one..But still see the beauty in them but its like everyone is saying they should not be sold as APBT
  15. Arrowhead

    Arrowhead Good Dog

    My explanation of what people have against AmBullies: There are breeds that were bred to be solely companion dogs, which is the category that the AmBully would fall in because it has no other purpose. That rubs many people the wrong way, being that there are many companion breeds to chose from and the last thing the world needed was another one. There are also different schools of thought on what went into the breed. Some believe that they are APBT and AST bred together for a certain look, while others believe that they are more of a mix of breeds (i.e. APBT and AST mixed with E. Bulldog, Mastiff, etc...) and a designer breed. That they are believed by many to be a designer breed being sold for ridiculous prices is another rub. And many who believe they're only APBTxAST have issues with the ridiculous prices charged for them. Many people also take issue with all of the classes of the AmBully registered (or not) with the ABKC (i.e. standard, classic, XL, extreme) and feel the standard is too loose. Others take issue with them being bred for looks and many for money alone. Other people take issue with the overdone features of many of the dogs and many being unhealthy. Others also take issue with the fact that many are not being bred for temperament either...when one bites someone due to unsound temperament, since so many people believe they are APBT, it's the APBT who gets the bad name and looped in with the behavior of badly bred AmBullies. And lastly (though first and the major bone of contention with many people), there are people who take issue with the fact that they are being called (sold and promoted as too) APBTs. Some owners of AmBullies may honestly have not known any better and are willing to learn, but there are others that do not want to let go of the APBT name no matter how much you try to educate them.

    I, for one, own an AmBully, which was given to me for free by my husband's friend who bred them, and she's a great dog. Her sister from a previous litter became a UKC champion, her dam was involved in weight pull, many of her other siblings are/were too, and everyone that has owned pups from litters my husbands friend sold to all said they had great dogs. That said, I have a lot of issues with people who breed and own them for the wrong reasons, but I have nothing against people breeding healthy dogs and those who want to own a healthy AmBully for the right reasons. I'm certainly not a fan of the overdone ones, I like the classic AmBully, which is what my dog would be considered (ones who look more like UKC APBTs or ASTs). I do not agree with them being called APBT, being bred for overdone structure, breeding from unhealthy and temperamentally unsound dogs, people charging an arm and a leg for them, or people who buy them merely as a leash ornament that they thing looks bad ass. Unfortunately, all I listed that I don't agree with happens more often than not with the breed.

    If the breed is here to stay, which I believe it is, a lot needs to be done to clean things up. I hope that their popularity wanes because with popularity, of any breed, comes problems.

    Anyway, just do a search and you'll find quite a few threads on here about people's issues with the breed.

    And just a reminder to everyone...everything has remained civil, but as a warning, let's be careful that this thread doesn't turn into a bash fest. Educating on this breed and the differences between it and the APBT is important, but when the bashing starts no one learns anything. I'm not saying anyone is going to bash, but I've seen it happen many times and on many forums and all that could be learned gets lost.
  16. Laced Wit Game

    Laced Wit Game Good Dog

  17. jsorrow

    jsorrow Big Dog

    Hell this should be stuck on every thread containing a picture or the word am bully.
  18. Pink

    Pink GRCH Dog

    Im with ya on that one jsorrow!!
  19. jsorrow

    jsorrow Big Dog

    Theres my partner in crime lol :D
  20. Pink

    Pink GRCH Dog

    You got that right! :D

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