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Would you breed outside the APBT?

Discussion in 'Dog Debates' started by fearlessknight, Aug 18, 2007.

  1. Yes:.....why?

    4 vote(s)
  2. No:.......why?

    46 vote(s)
  1. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Administrator

    The pit bull is not supposed to bite a human.

    IMO, you will lose a very important trait if you do this.
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 25, 2007
  2. Alan

    Alan Banned

    Yes you are right, they arent supposed to bite a human and were originaly NOT human agressive. I think as a result of cross breeding and irresponsible breeding that some of them are human agressive now days though. I dont consider them a true APBT but unfortunately, they still get to use the name.
  3. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Administrator

    I totally agree. Humans are the cause of ruining this breed, right along side bad owners.
  4. Alan

    Alan Banned

    Yup, if you ever get a chance to attend (if you havent already) some sort of show like an ADBA show, check out the dogs. To me, it's pretty obvious some of them are way off what the original Pit Bull was like. I am pretty certain that some cross breeding has taken place and some papers have been falsified and other blood has been induced into the breed. Thank God, there are people out there who agree with me and do everything they can to keep their dogs pure.
  5. i don't think you should cross breed the pit bull and register them as purebred it's just not ethical . i may be stepping on toes but it's the truth some breeders mix pit bulls with bull mastiffs and call them pit bull for size and weight pulling.they register this mix breed as purebred(no ethics) . some ppl mix cures with pit bulls but use them for hog hunting, they don't register them as pit bulls.
  6. fearlessknight

    fearlessknight Good Dog

    While what you said is true.....I do not agree with cross breeding the APBT to ANY other breed for ANY reason. That is not ethical.
  7. Lassic

    Lassic Big Dog

    Like quoted why mess with perfection, The standard structure for a APBT is like no other and there is no limit to what this Breed can do in my eyes.
  8. fearlessknight

    fearlessknight Good Dog

    Are you saying that you agree with mixing other breeds to the APBT? Just wondering...
  9. annji

    annji Little Dog

    I think we have enough dogs. Why can't people just take care of the creatures we have already created? Besides, out of the 400 different registered breeds of dogs (got that fact out of my kids library book), I think humans have already created a dog for every possible reason know to man.
  10. Noelle's Mom

    Noelle's Mom Banned

    I'm not a prejudiced. I love my dogs but if they have a mix in there somewhere that I don't know about I don't really care. And I agree about aggression. I think that yes, it may show up in certain breeds more often then others, but with proper training, attention and socialization you can minimize the risk greatly. Are pit bulls more aggressive percentage wise because of genetics, or because so many people use them for the wrong things and teach aggression?
  11. Galadriel

    Galadriel Good Dog

    It's important you separate Dog aggression and Human aggression. They're NOT the same thing. If an APBT is human aggressive, it's most likely been trained to be that way, but it can also be due to bad breeding. Dog aggression in this breed is the norm and is not looked upon as a flaw. If you have an APBT over the age of 3 who has never shown any signs of DA, they are the exception and not the rule. Even at that age and older, it can still pop up at any time, so always be cautious around other dogs.
    What makes then dog aggressive but not human aggressive comes from the same part of their history. When matching dogs was the norm, pre-1976, dogmen wanted their dogs to be "game". It's part of who this breed is. However, you couldn't have your dog going after you when you pulled them out or gave them medical care. Dogs who showed man biting tendencies were usually culled so that the trait wouldn't be passed down. Does that make sense?
  12. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Administrator

    If you are talking about DA, then no, you cannot train that out of a pit bull. :) It's part of their genetics. The only way to minimize the risk is to make sure the owner is trained on how to handle this.
    Last edited by a moderator: Oct 11, 2007
  13. Noelle's Mom

    Noelle's Mom Banned

    As I said you can MINIMIZE the risk. Maybe you cannot completely get rid of it, but with proper care and knowledge you can lessen the chances of a severe dog fight. And, I happen to believe differently about these dogs. I do not think that every single APBT is a dog aggressive creature. I can agree that because of breeding they have a greater chance of being dog aggressive, but it is not a guarantee. I've been around them my entire life and only ever once saw aggression in any of the dogs I handled and that was more defending itself then anything else. It did not cause the fight, but wouldn't back down from another dog who WAS causing it. (The other dog was a golden retriever and was EXTREMELY dog aggressive.)
  14. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Administrator

    I agree with you on this. :)
  15. Galadriel

    Galadriel Good Dog

    Noelles' Mom, that's a actually a pretty typical scenario. Very often a "pit bull" won't start a fight, but you can bet your bottom dollar they'll finish one.
    I think maybe there's a common misconception about DA. It's not always blind fury attack and kill every other dog they see. As with any type of behavior, there are definitely varying degrees. There's one saying you'll see over and over again "never trust your pit bull NOT to fight." Just because they don't start it, doesn't mean they won't engage in it.
    Being dog aggressive obviously isn't a hard and fast rule. There are many MANY people who don't have issues with DA pit bulls. There are many more people who do. No matter how friendly your pit bull is to other dogs (and this is for anyone who reads this thread) be aware the potential for a dog fight is always there and take proper precautions =)
  16. Noelle's Mom

    Noelle's Mom Banned

    Wow. I think it's the people on here that have genetic aggression bred into them. It seems like if someone has a different view on here (I just read the entire thread) they get dragged through the mud severely. Every "opinion" has it's own share of facts, statistics and true stories. Every opinion also has a real live person behind it who has feelings and a heart. Maybe we could all remember this next time we slam someone into the ground?
    Last edited by a moderator: Oct 11, 2007
  17. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Administrator

    Who is slamming who into the ground?
  18. Noelle's Mom

    Noelle's Mom Banned

    Pretty much everyone was jumping all over chopperv. While I do not agree (or necessarily believe) everything he/she said, some of the statements were really harsh and may cause someone else NOT to speak of what they believe. lol, luckily I'm not afraid of disagreements or it might have been me since I seem to disagree with a lot of the "facts" posted here as well.

    I am not trying to put anyone down or "scold" them, that would just be ridiculous. Just trying to remind all that we are adults and can talk about things without making someone feel like a little pile of well...that gift from our dogs we love so much, dog poo
    Last edited by a moderator: Oct 11, 2007
  19. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Administrator

    Well, obviously, Chopperv didn't know what he was talking about since we are still here and waiting for him to post the peds of these "valley" dogs.:) When it comes to this breed, people are passionate and alot of the members here are very very knowledgable and know what they are talking about.
  20. tat2stuff

    tat2stuff Good Dog

    I would never breed outside the APBT, it took over 100 years of careful, selective breeding (I'm talking about the quality representatives of the breed here from reputable breeders)to get it where it is. If you want a pure breed designer mutt, get an AKC dog.

    To the few who posted " don't breed or buy from a breeder there's too many dogs in shelters" Well if we stop breeding quality dogs and just exhaust the shelter population, this breed is as good as dead. The majority of the people breeding true to form APBT's don't sell to the general public, don't advertise their dogs, don't make a living off breeding. They still guard their pedigrees and breed the best to the best to make the breed better and stronger.

    BYBing should be outlawed, this I will agree with, it's killing the breed and these are the dogs filling the shelters, ending up on the news and causing BSL to flourish.

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