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Would there ever been american bullys if...

Discussion in 'Dog Debates' started by mike jones, Jun 16, 2010.

  1. mike jones

    mike jones Little Dog

    If dog fighting was never outlawed? i would say there wouldn't be a need for a breed that resembles a APBT that was made for the show ring when we already have American Staffordshire terrier's...by the way heres my bully tank hes #2 today..[​IMG]

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  2. My pit is Sasha

    My pit is Sasha Good Dog

    My guess would be

    yes, eventually someone would have done it anyway.

    I mean we have Pugles (wtf?) If someone somewhere is going to cross a Pug and a Beagle I would certainly hope something more useful (IMO) like an AmBully would have been thought of regardless of whether or not the ring was still legal.

    But that's just me :)

    Nice looking dog you've got there.
     
  3. WackyJacki

    WackyJacki Little Dog

    There will always be a new fad, regardless of laws. ;)
     
  4. Rogue Bullies

    Rogue Bullies Good Dog

    Yes I am sure there would be. Always new fads, Americans tend to think the bigger the better and the cuter the better. That is why there is all these fad out of standard breedings and designer breeds about.
     
  5. Budboy88

    Budboy88 Good Dog

    considering dogfighting has been illegal since like the 1800s...
     
  6. mike jones

    mike jones Little Dog

    ..?????heres a fun fact for ya....According to a study by the Michigan State University College of Law published in 2005, in the United States, dog fighting was once completely legal and was sanctioned and promoted during the colonial period (1600s through 1776) and continuing through the Victorian era in the late 19th century. The early 19th century saw the development in England of the Staffordshire Bull Terrier, first imported into the United States ca. 1817. Organized dog fighting became a part of American culture, and was even condoned and promoted by the United Kennel Club.[2] As the activity grew in popularity, so too did opposition to it. By the early 20th century the United Kennel Club dropped its support and by the 1960s most states had made it illegal. It was not until 1976 that it was outlawed in all states and even then, enforcement was generally lax.
     
  7. Budboy88

    Budboy88 Good Dog

    it was illegal before 1976 do some homework ;)
     
  8. Boogieman

    Boogieman Good Dog Premium Member

    He found it on the internet so it must be true! :lol:
     
  9. Budboy88

    Budboy88 Good Dog

    he found it on wikipedia, its not like just any jackass can go and add and change information on there :rolleyes: :lol:
     
  10. Alma

    Alma GRCH Dog

    Interesting question, I moved this to debates.

    Be civil, please
    :biggrin2:

    If dog fighting was still a recognized sport and all the culling rules still existed, Id say the APBT would be a FAR more stable dog then it is currently. So, by default, no.
     
  11. mike jones

    mike jones Little Dog

    ya i got it off of Wikipedia so you wouldn't think i was just talking out my ass, its common knowledge that dog fighting was legal in the the U.S until early 70"S here in Texas i believe was one of the last legal states, i have old dog fighting magazines with dates from 60'S and 70'S with legal match reports here in America, for you to say dog fighting has been illegal since the 1800's couldn't be anymore wrong! and come on u really think i would doctor up a Wikipedia definition to prove a point that anyone that knows anything about APBT's already knows:no2: and why i gotta be a jackass because in right? its not hard look it up, u can apologize latter :coffee:
     
  12. Budboy88

    Budboy88 Good Dog

    I never said you changed anything on Wikipedia, I simply stated that anyone can add and change info on there. It WAS illegal before 1976 and i know it was im not going to argue that. And a magazine doesnt mean shit hell The Sporting Dog Journal was up and running up untill just a few years ago.
     
  13. Galadriel

    Galadriel Good Dog

    Dog fighting was illegal pre-1976, it just wasn't enforced and the punishment on the rare occasion it WAS enforced wasn't very severe as it was a misdemeanor.
     
  14. Miakoda

    Miakoda GRCH Dog

    Dog fighting was made illegal in the late 1800's (1890 or around there) by the ASPCA and law applied to all states nationwide.

    The Animal Welfare Act of 1976 just served to actually enforce the law and provide more serious consequences.

    With that said, I do believe AmBullies would still have been created. It's not about dogfighting or even the APBTs, but rather about some man's ego and whatever type of dog stokes in the most. It's about man's need to look bigger and badder than his neighbor and to have people fear him and respect him. (and I use 'respect' lightly). That's why the AmBully came about.
     
  15. Vicki

    Vicki Administrator Administrator

    In the same respect, one can say that is how the APBT and every other breed came to exist as well. It's not like a few dogs were sitting around the poker table having a discussion about genetics. Each and every breed was created by man for a general purpose, was it not?
     
  16. My pit is Sasha

    My pit is Sasha Good Dog

    They were so, I saw the picture. But I think they were talking about beer. :D
     
  17. Yea

    haha that is what i was thinking.
     
  18. CoolHandJean

    CoolHandJean Krypto Super Dog

    I believe it still would have came about.

    Because though we'd would like to believe that if dog fighting was still legal, the dogmen would keep all their dogs to themselves and within their circles, you know somewhere down the line, someone would still sell to the public, and that someone in the public would still decide they wanted a bigger dog.
     

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