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Wolfs and dogs genetics

Discussion in 'Exotic Mammals' started by Gerry, Oct 9, 2012.

  1. Gerry

    Gerry Big Dog

    So I was reading a thing on Facebook on people arguing if wolfdogs were hybrids or not it was really pointless arguing with facts that had nothing to back them up and after googling and finding nothing at risk of looking very stupid I posted here if anyone can enlighten me it will be greatly appreciated
     
  2. BlueKarma

    BlueKarma Little Dog

    I don't think anyone has answered because you haven't actually asked a question. However, if you are asking if a wolfdog is a hybrid then the answer is no, simply because there is no such word as "hybrid" in the canine world. Very, VERY few people own actual wolves, especially without a license. Most people that own "wolf dogs", own a dog that is usually no more than 60% wolf. In essence, it is almost like owning a wolf that is tolerant of humans. NOT the best idea, but not nearly as dangerous as people think. In America, we pretend that wolves are man-eating monsters, when in reality.......there have been a monstrous total of TWO human fatalities caused by wolves - ever recorded in the history of this country. I would still never get one, but they aren't the beasts we make them out to be.
     
  3. Gerry

    Gerry Big Dog

    Thank You:-) actually yes you answered what I meant to ask sorry I should have gathered my thoughts better before posting
     
  4. ReneeMcDougal

    ReneeMcDougal Good Dog

    The bite inhabition sucks though...they don't mean to but they can't take things gentle..lol at least in my experience
     
  5. BlueKarma

    BlueKarma Little Dog

    No this is very true. You can train it out of them, but be prepared to work your ass off. Most people, even pit owners, feel that pit bulls have really bad bite inhibition as puppies, but any level of wolfdog is going to make that look like a nibble. It's like she said though, it's not malicious at all, they're just built for killing, not playing.
     
  6. K9 Love

    K9 Love Good Dog

    I know people with wolf hybrids, and that's how they refer to them. Often they know the approximate percentage, almost like how we would label our mutt's breeds, they can tell you the percentage. I suppose technically hybrid means a mix of two different "species", but I've also heard people call certain mixes/mutts hybrids before as well.

    ETA: Hybrid definition:

    I guess according to that definition, a wolf, dog offspring could be called a hybrid.

    IMO wolf/domestic dog mixes are not anything like dogs, and the people I know both online and in "real life" will tell you the same. Often they must be kept outside as they are absolutely destructive in the home, and most notably, they are not as... in tune with our desire to cuddle and hug like our domestic couch potatoes.

    Years ago I watched a study they did on the behaviourial differences between wolves and dogs, and the difference was truly astounding. The specific exercise that's burned into my brain was the metal crate with the meat tied to the rope. First crack at it, the rope wasn't tied down, both the dog and wolf easily figured out to pull the rope and then they could snatch up the meat. Second time, they tied the rope down, so no amount of tugging would bring the meat close enough to grab. Within a few short minutes the dog returned to its handler and very obviously looked for guidance as to how to complete the task, the wolf went over 15 minutes without so much as a glance.

    I think the above is very important to remember, just because it looks like a dog, eats like a dog, moves like a dog, does not mean it's cognitive abilities, social understanding and overall behaviour is the same.
     
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  7. Gatorpit

    Gatorpit Good Dog

    What makes you say this? It is completely incorrect.

    A wolf-dog IS, in fact, a hybrid. A hybrid is the result of a mating between two animals of different species. A wolf (canis lupus) is a different species than a dog (canis domesticus) and therefore, crosses of the two ARE hybrids by definition. it doesn't matter if it's 90% wolf or only 20% wolf, still a hybrid.

    I think your confusion about there being "no such word as hybrid in the canine world" results from the misuse of the term "hybrid" to describe intentionally mix-bred dogs.

    A dog that is the offspring of two dogs of different breeds is not a hybrid, as no matter what the breed, all domestic dogs are the same species; but a dog that is the offspring of two canids of differing species (like the grey wolf), IS a hybrid.
     
  8. ReneeMcDougal

    ReneeMcDougal Good Dog

    Yea, my Aunt Judy had a wolf-dog named Hank and a friend has one named Butters. You just don't try and hand them food with your fingers..or a toy for that matter. They are ok dogs, but its not as easy to train them either from what I have observed. I mean, I am only going off 2 dogs.
     
  9. Poisoned

    Poisoned GRCH Dog

    I've met a few and I liked them, but something that struck me immediately with a 75% pup especially, was it was more like interacting with a tamed wild animal. He was very friendly, overly so, and I didn't see it that way. He was being submissive to me, excessive licking and trying to kiss all around my mouth, rubbing his back on me as he fell to the ground to roll over and also nibbling - which HURT! He had huge teeth and had the bite inhibition of a 6 week old pup. He didn't stop until the trainer let her pit bull roll him over - the petsmart trainer uses her dog to help train puppies, apparently he's pretty rock-solid and did a wonderful job of calmly correcting him, I just wouldn't let my dog train other people's puppies. This pup was not in her class, she was taking a break and saw him. This one's owners had no clue what they were getting into.. I mean my God, they had him at petsmart for one, letting him be bossed around by a stranger's dog.

    So, he listened to the animal that he saw as a leader, but he lacked the communication with us that domestic dogs know from a very early age. I don't remember where I saw it, but someone tested dogs understanding of human language, body language. And even feral dogs, puppies with no training, and dogs who'd never been trained picked up on human gestures, like pointing, patting your leg/clapping hands to come. I've always known this about dogs, they read our body language so well, I have to make the slightest movement for J to understand I want him on my other side, in the grass when we're walking. I don't have to tug his leash or give him a command, he reads me. Wolves/Wolf hybrids generally don't automatically read humans that well, it's something that has to be taught. And to teach them anything, you and that animal need to understand each other first, and you have to understand how to get in his head and teach him unnatural things.

    With the right people, I'm sure they're great and a joy to be around. I certainly plan on owning some when I have land.
     

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