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Why Good Pit Bulls Go Bad?

Discussion in 'Breeder Discussion' started by Shes Got Heart, Dec 12, 2007.

  1. Shes Got Heart

    Shes Got Heart Little Dog

    I generally try to write off Pit Bull attacks as a bad breeding or bad ownership problem. But the other day while at work, I mentioned to a lady that my dog was a Pit Bull. She responded with a verbal "yuck" I said, "Shes a very friendly dog, she wouldn't hurt a fly." And the lady responded with "Then why do they always say that the pit bull was well loved and cared for and it just snapped" I told her that she doesn't know the true story, or the owners definition of loved and cared for. But even still the question made me wonder. Especially after hearing the story awhile back of the lady who was killed by her 2, 2 year old pit bulls. The story said, and her son said that the dogs were raised from puppies and were well cared for. What excuse would it be in a story like this?
  2. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Administrator

    Possibly that the dogs were HA and were not wired correctly. Bad breeding.
  3. tat2stuff

    tat2stuff Good Dog

    there are ALWAYS warning signs, people just don't know what to look for, or ignore them and make excuses. I would still chalk most attacks up to poor genetics or mistreatment, people just ignore the signs till its too late. When something bad happens they don't want to admit they overlooked the warning signs and say "oh the dog just snapped"

    Is the attack you mentioned the one in Fla. with the "red bone pits" ? I think I read there was a lot more behind that story than originally reported.
  4. DryCreek

    DryCreek Little Dog

    Here's an article that addresses exactly that question....


  5. DryCreek

    DryCreek Little Dog

    Now apply what was said in the above article to this situation-

    ( I know you don't want bite/attack articles posted, but this is a perfect example of owner denial/stupidity. Forgive? ) If not...delete...;)


    Can we say IDIOT?

    PNWPBR Good Dog

    DryCreek, THANK you for making an example so clearly. I think showing the statements in bold is an excellent way to help people understand what exactly the owners were doing wrong.

    Sadly, too many people own dogs and too many people are uneducated. Big dogs, little dogs, I dont care what breed, they all have potential to bite just as a car can crash. They require seat belts when driving a car, but dont require a brain (or at least a training class!) when owning a dog.

    I work in a Animal Shelter that is also AC so we get bite dogs daily. Example: A dog was adopted from our facility and returned a week later for biting a child. The dog is a 4 month old shepard/golden mix who was left along with young children unsupervised, and this was a regular occurance.

    The dog bit the child in the face. The mother said the dog "snapped!"

    They then went over to see our adoptable dogs to adopt yet another dog.... and when observed by staff, the children were picking up dogs by their heads/necks, poking them in the eyes and screaming at them. The mother did NOTHING.

    This dog did not SNAP, this dog was provoked and who knows what was done to her. This dog was a pup, who was protecting herself, and now will lose her life because she bit a child. Its sad, and it happens every, single day in a country where animals are disposable.

    There is always more to the story, and I would remind anyone that with any breed.
  7. Zoe

    Zoe GRCH Dog

    Uggghhh... this story just made me crazy. I've raised two kids in a houseful of pit bulls, my own and many, many shelter dogs who quite possibly have never been around children, and neither of my kids have ever been bit. Why? Because my kids are taught how to treat animals with respect and I am knowledgeable enough to know not to leave small children who don't know how to control their impulses and dogs alone together. It's like common sense is just thrown out the window and in the end the dog gets blamed. My home is a controlled environment where possible triggers are avoided and supervision is perpetual. Safety is number one priority for kids and dogs. Having a dog that is "well cared for" is just one part of responsible dog ownership. There's also controlling the dogs environment so it's not put into a position where it feels the need to react in a negative way but taught through positive experience how to behave and SUPERVISED so you can monitor it's behavior. Vet care, love, good food is just the tip of the iceberg in having a "well cared for dog" and being a responsible owner, especially when you have kids in the picture, is so much more, but most people are either to lazy or to uneducated to follow through with what is necessary to make a positive environment for both the kids and dogs. Not one of my dogs have any resource guarding issues and I STILL would never leave them alone with kids and a high value treat. It's just basic common sense. When are people going to start taking responsibility for their actions or most often, lack there of, instead of blaming the dog. But of course, the dog can't speak for itself so it's an easy scapegoat so they can get off scott free when it's no ones fault but their own and their kid and dog pay the price.
  8. Shes Got Heart

    Shes Got Heart Little Dog

    Yeah these stories posted are quite ridiculous. It is the parents fault definitely. Does anyone remember a story a couple of years ago about a 6 week old Pit Bull puppy chewing off a 4 week old human baby's toes? The baby was sleeping in a car seat next to it's parents mattress in the living room floor. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,236001,00.html On a Ford Mustang forum I used to post on.... this was posted as an anti pit bull thread entitled. "Pit Bulls, if they are not attacking the elderly and children they are chewing off babys toes"

    How many things can you find wrong with this story? First of all... why are they sleeping on a mattress in the living room floor, and the baby in an infant seat.... that may start to describe the character of these people.

    It's the lower-class... uneducated people who want a "tough" dog, these are the people who are ruining this breed.
  9. Rai_77

    Rai_77 Good Dog

    Also, no one is going to ADMIT they knew their dog was a problem after it attacks their kid. Do you know how fast those kids would get taken away by CPS? Of course the parents are going to act like everything was perfect, it absolves them of any responsibility, and they can ride the wave of pitbull hate.
  10. Patch O' Pits

    Patch O' Pits Good Dog

    I do not believe in the dog just snapped theory, there is always something else involved

    Some reasons dogs bite of any breed
    -unstable temperament/ poor genetics
    - ignorance of owners who put them in bad situations
    - abuse

    I've read more than one story where the full info was not provided and then later came out

    I remember one clearly that first came out with
    Family pet attacks pretty much focussed on the just snapped issue... then later in a follow up article still claiming this dog to be a great family pet it stated , this "pet" was kept in a basement , never socialized or played with and had in the past been aggressive ... hmmmm doesn't sound like a great loving family pet to me.

    People lie to cover their butts IMO and others are just plain ignorant to canine behaviors sadly
  11. Zoe

    Zoe GRCH Dog

    BINGO! You hit the nail on the head.
  12. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Administrator

  13. DryCreek

    DryCreek Little Dog

    Ouch, now that was harsh. Your profiling, which is wrong on so many levels.

    I've been in similar situations as these people, not being able to afford a proper bed suite or crib. I was lucky, my parents helped with the crib but I still slept on a mattress on the floor, these people may not have been lucky enough to have even that type of assistance.

    Lower class is a money standard, not a measure of how much class you have as a person. I've met many classier needy folks than classy well to do people.

    It's the people who believe they know all they need to know and don't bother learning, or just don't care to learn, about proper training practices for dogs that are creating the problem with this breed regardless of social level or education achieved.

    That, and the criminal types (again both well to do and not) that put this breed into the situation it is in today.

    We, as owners of this breed, must guard against the type of mentality that believes "profiles". Are we not all owners of this breed "just because we need a penile extension" (sorry ladies, no offense intended) :blush:
  14. Miakoda

    Miakoda GRCH Dog

    That happened here in Louisiana. And it turned out that the family ferret did it, not the pup.

    Also, as a later story concluded, a witness stated that the parents were not even in the home at the time.
  15. Shes Got Heart

    Shes Got Heart Little Dog

    Well it's late coming, but I'm glad I heard the updated story. That was another story being wrongfully blamed on a Pit Bull.

    And as for the story of the child being sodomized by a Pit Bull... It already stated that the family had been in trouble with the law before. I have NEVER heard of a dog doing that, unless it was trained... sick... But I call bullshit on this one as well. Let the Pit Bull take the rap... as usual.
  16. Miakoda

    Miakoda GRCH Dog

    Someone already said it, but I will reiterate it: there are ALWAYS warning signs. Now they may not be verbal, but they will be physical displays of some sort whether it be verbal or through body language.

    Of course bad genetics, crappy breeding, all that blah contributes to ill-temperamented dogs. But the truth is that each dog is an individual and some dogs out there are just assholes that don't deserve anything but an eternal dirt nap. I've seen dogs from great breedings, with great peds behind them, owned by owners who raised them right in every way, and the dogs turned out to like nothing more to do than threaten or bite people. And thank God those owners all buried those dogs before something happened.

    In today's society, the bleeding heart allows people to overlook these warning signs and/or right them off with excuse after excuse after excuse.

    And sometimes, dogs will be dogs.
  17. Alan

    Alan Banned

    You have to have a special license to own an exotic animal. No one would be surprised if a pet mountain lion attacked someone. They are expected to do such things.

    Dogs are domesticated. This is true. However, they are still animals and think like animals. We tend to humanize dogs instead of rationalizing with their animal instincts. IMO that is often the match that ignites the fire.
  18. monkeys23

    monkeys23 GRCH Dog

    Very true. And on the other end of the spectrum are the people who tend to objectify them as an accessory to look "tuff" or to scare people away from the yard or or because its cool or whatever. Either way you cut it, it comes down to people not caring enough to grow the balls to take responsibility or educate themselves on proper care of a canine pet.

    Lots of good responses and articles in this thread.:cool:
  19. DryCreek

    DryCreek Little Dog

    Just wanted to add here that there are also medical factors that can be included in a dog just seeming to "snap" for no reason. Brain tumors etc.

    I've never seen it, but I have read a case study of a dog that was uncontrollable due to a chemical imbalance. Can't find the book and can't remember what was imbalanced LOL but once it was corrected the dog was like a new animal.

    I'm not 100% sure if it's the same with dogs as I've never dealt with canine diabetes, but I have dealt with a diabetic human and they can go a little off the wall if their sugars aren't balanced. I need to go do some studying on that theory now LOL.

    I believe that there is always more than one factor involved when a dog turns. It's usually a combination of poor/lack of training, insufficient understanding about canine behavior and body language, complacency, and a strong dose of ignorance and a dash of chance. The chance applies when all previous factors meet at an apex in the given situation.

    Money does not equate to a persons ability to train a dog. A dog having it's shots, good food and being fixed does not make it a well trained dog. It may make it a healthy dog but it's not a requirement for good behavior.

    This is about why good dogs go bad and financial status is at the bottom of the list of causes.

    And as to your sister....her financial situation has nothing to do with her irresponsibility. She could have tons of money and still do the same. Just as she could be responsible now even though she's strapped for cash. It's a choice people make and money has naught to do with it.
  20. Shes Got Heart

    Shes Got Heart Little Dog

    My name is Megan not Kim... I do know my sisters situation and she has never been responsible. I may not be the best example of being responsible either at times... but at least I take care of my dog.

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