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Why Did We Change The Bull Terrier?

Discussion in 'Bull Terrier' started by Hucklebutt, Oct 18, 2009.

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  1. Mrpedigree

    Mrpedigree Big Dog

    Bull Terriers on the whole dont have many problems whelping...one of my girls gave berth to 11 pups 12 months ago !
     
  2. jonnybegood

    jonnybegood Little Dog

    quite a few fallacies in this topic....I love a good chat but only if its based on FACTS and ACCURATE information.
     
  3. Hucklebutt

    Hucklebutt Banned Back Yard Breeder

    i got those ideas from lots of time spent talking to breeders, in forums, on sites, looking at there info, reading on there pages-that a lot of people have the problems that the dogs lose stamina in labor, or they bred to such a large male the pups were too large. I also learned from all this that most breeders prefer AI to keep them from getting hurt, but its more likley the males are too heavy. I am not saying all of them do, but some do.
     
  4. jonnybegood

    jonnybegood Little Dog

    well Ideas arent always facts are they..some of the things you speak of can happen to any breed of dog..
     
  5. Hucklebutt

    Hucklebutt Banned Back Yard Breeder

    exactly, you are right. people should be responsible and careful when it comes to breeding, since most of that can really be avoided.
     
  6. jonnybegood

    jonnybegood Little Dog

    yes they should be responsible..what does responsible breeding mean to you?.. even fit conditioned bitches can have difficulties whelping, speak to your vet for advice on this...as some difficulties during whelping cannot be avoided.
     
  7. Hucklebutt

    Hucklebutt Banned Back Yard Breeder

    well obviously things can and will happen. But it is a fact that dogs that are more physically fit, are healthier dogs, and will have less problems in labor. I mean, some dogs will have no stamina to stay in labor, and stop pushing.

    "Overweight dogs tend to have more problems giving birth than dogs at their optimum weight. This difficult birthing is called dystocia. Dogs experiencing dystocia often need veterinary assistance to deliver their pups, and may require a cesarean section (C-section)."

    Responsible breeding to me is breeding dogs that are good at something, other than a pretty face. To me the working lab should be bred, not the nicest looking lab. I think you can have both, but its a lot of work. Like I said before, conditioning a dog is a lot more work than to not-and people like easy. For me, dogs that are best at what they do should be bred, temperment should always be top priority as well. To me, it is MUCH harder to condition a dog to pull heavy amounts of weight, to run for long periods of time, to keep trying and to never give up. sounds easy...its not. teach a dog to stack is easy, mine are all stack trained, but training my dogs to condition, takes all of there life. You never stop teach them.


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  8. jonnybegood

    jonnybegood Little Dog

    hmmmmmmmmm..so no mention of health testing, no screening of puppy homes..just its fit its fine..sorry theres a whole lot more to being a responsible breeder than what you said..
     
  9. Bullful

    Bullful Little Dog

    Dani,

    Why always the reference to Labs? Why don't you keep this too the bully breeds?
    I noticed a few rolls of extra fat on the underside of scarlet or was that round muscle?
    Why do you feel the need for prong collars on your well trained and behaved dogs?
    Lovely photo's and plenty of great scenery out there.
     
  10. Hucklebutt

    Hucklebutt Banned Back Yard Breeder

    jonny, yes of course those are important too.

    your right bullful, right now she is fat. but she has also been on cage rest for her injured knee, so that is why. I can assure you, it wont stay that way. :D


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    She is also a puppy, and it is not correct to do serious conditioning on a young dog, due to her age and her recent injury she is putting on extra weight, which will happily be turned into muscle.
     
  11. Vicki

    Vicki Administrator Administrator

    For reference, here's Jane Killion's twelve week puppy log.:) It stops at the sixth week, but it was pretty interesting going along with it while it lasted.

    Home
     
  12. mr.clueless

    mr.clueless Good Dog


    11 pups wow.....if it had been today i could have helped out as it was all quiet in the gym this morning ...surprise surprise :rolleyes:
     
  13. Hucklebutt

    Hucklebutt Banned Back Yard Breeder

    i use prong collars because they are my tool of choice.

    just got back from a gathering with bull terriers, to my suprise no one could control there dogs. They all had them on slip or choke leads, and the dogs were pulling and choking themselves and the owners swinging them back and putting them in a cage when sick of em. Mine were on lead, not pulling, so i dare someone to comment on my prong collars, atleast my dogs can breath! These people could not control one dog, and I had 2 with me!
     
  14. jonnybegood

    jonnybegood Little Dog

    well I guess if Im getting pronged in the throat..I wouldnt dare pull and move about too much either ...my lot all walk quite nicely on a collar and lead..

    ---------- Post added at 09:29 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:26 PM ----------

    any new recent pics of your girl on the forum Hucklebutt? Id love to see her
     
  15. Hucklebutt

    Hucklebutt Banned Back Yard Breeder

    atleast my prongs are not cutting off the air supply. I just came back from seeing atleast 10 if not more bull terriers on choke chains, slip leads and they were choking to the point of exhaustion and coughing and gagging.

    I just posted some on the other threads in pics section and im about to put some more, of the gathering we just did and we met with scarletts parents and her dads head profile is very impressive, but he is a total fatty lol. like really obese. lol
     
  16. jonnybegood

    jonnybegood Little Dog

    the prongs just prong them in the neck..

    well you take some nice pics, looks like you had a great time..and Scarlett is getting some teat on her...is she expecting pups?
     
  17. mr.clueless

    mr.clueless Good Dog


    all the smiley faces in the world dont cover up bullshit !.....i invited you to come talk about dogs.......you didnt turn up......

    shame really you missed out on a nice cuppa tea and a biscuit.......still,i wasnt really surprised like i said folk are usually much different when things get real....
    all the best son :lol:
     
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  18. Mrpedigree

    Mrpedigree Big Dog

    When i phoned you ...you seemed very startled and shy and didnt seem to wanna talk on the phone :D so you put your boy friend on to speak :confused: ....what was up ?? cat had your tongue??
    So i thought you lost intrest !
    You could allways come see me ???
    I will post our site address on your page ...i will accomadate ya...i am there most days between 3-6pm...there as real as it gets ...want the address ?? now please go away like a good little boy ;)
     
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