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Why Breeders Lose Buyers

Discussion in 'General Dog Discussions' started by CallSignOWL, Nov 14, 2013.

  1. CallSignOWL

    CallSignOWL Good Dog

    I came across this article here: http://www.htpuppiescb.com/whybreederslosebuyers.htm, and thought that it should be shared.

    Ive seen a number of posts about how "real" breeders dont advertise in papers, or how a kennel with a website means they are nothing but "peddlers"...Its rather harsh and off putting. Ive even been told that people at kennel clubs are stuck up and rude. That Totally wants to make me go talk to them...(sarcasm). If you have to keep jumping through hoops, and being scolded for making mistakes, why would you keep continuing down that path? No wonder so many turn to pet stores or BYBs.

    What do you all think?

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  2. Tiffseagles

    Tiffseagles GRCH Dog Premium Member

    Um, we got Otis from a breeder with a website and that took an ad out in the paper when they had more puppies than expected. I like this. If more breeders put themselves out there (paper, online, etc.), I think it would make more people stop and think "Hey, why am I paying $750 for a dog from this fella who's giving me nothing else when I can spend a little more over here and get all of this other stuff too".

    And both of Otis' parents were titled (breeder owned the bitch only), minimum health testing done, two visits with pups, a contract and we are still in touch with the breeder who, at this time, is not breeding even though they have dogs so it's not like they are throwing any two dogs together. I certainly wouldn't call them peddlers.

    They were very friendly, answered questions, etc. not stuck up in any way and they enjoy talking about their dogs and mine, even now 7 years later.
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  3. ignitethis

    ignitethis Good Dog

    I still don't understand why anyone would go out and knowingly buy a puppy mill dog, aside from being impatient.
  4. stevespe

    stevespe Little Dog

    I understand the desire to have a papered dog, i do, but for the common dummy like me there are so many good dogs in shelters. Yes they don't have pedigree but they need homes and love so if you are just a common person who doesn't intend on showing or breeding then I think that's the way to go. Some are so hung up on having a "pit bull" and not having a friend and companion.
  5. stevespe

    stevespe Little Dog

    my shelter girl

    watchinsquirrels.jpg this is my shelter mutt scoping squirrels.......
  6. NobodyHere

    NobodyHere Guest

    What does showing or breeding have to do with it? Even "pet" people who "just want a companion" have the right to own a predictable dog. Even if I "just" wanted a pet of some other breed, I'd still want to be able to study the pedigree and reasonably predict the dog's adult structure, temperament, type, activity level, health and longevity, grooming requirements, etc.
  7. stevespe

    stevespe Little Dog

    You do have a point. I understand and as I said there is nothing wrong with the desire to have a papered dog. There is also nothing wrong with wanting to give a good dog without hope a home. It just depends on what you personally want. Either way if you care for them and treat them well its all good.
  8. Beki

    Beki Good Dog Premium Member

    Good find CSO!
    Reading through I could so many accuracies and similarities in my quest to find my crew.
    Not being in the 'know' is almost like looking in from the outside.
  9. keagan

    keagan Little Dog

    Good article! It makes a lot of valid points, especially on a board like this. I know from my own research into other breeds, breeders (and many purebred owners) are often a pretty elitist, off-putting group. I hate to say it, but I would say that doubles or triples among APBT people. In this case, I understand not wanting the general public to get their hands these dogs, but in the end, people will get their dogs through BYBs or rescues, or whatever, and in many cases, this probably does more damage to the breed than would have been done by educating in the first place.
  10. gotpitt

    gotpitt Puppy

    Great Share Buddy a lot of good info thanks man!!
  11. CallSignOWL

    CallSignOWL Good Dog

    tee hee, its gal. :P
  12. Beret

    Beret Bullyflop

    Nice share.

    Though I will say... I think breeding communities tending more towards insular does force potential owners to do more digging and become more involved in the breed. Which isn't a bad thing, IMO. Those who aren't invested enough to learn where to look... Perhaps aren't the dedicated owners that certain breeders are seeking in the first place.

    Especially considering the wealth of resources and informations available online. If someone is desperate for breed X... It's not that much of a stretch to find a relevant forum and ask around about taking the proper steps. It's not like the breeder directories for national breed clubs are hard to find.

    I dunno. I have mixed feelings about this. And I will say... My next dog is still at least a couple years out, but I've found that breeders I've touched base with are more than receptive to talking with me without putting on airs or being anything but forthcoming, helpful, courteous, and open to discussing my plans.
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  13. kady05

    kady05 Krypto Super Dog

    Maybe I just got lucky, but I really didn't find it difficult at all to find information about Amstaff breeders, contacting them wasn't hard either. Actually, I found Sako's breeder here after she posted a thread with pictures of her new litter (she wasn't advertising here, just sharing pictures). Jokingly told her she should send me the red/white male for Christmas and the rest is history. I was a "nobody" then, no experience at all in the show world, never had a purebred dog (other than my families Labs growing up). However, I did have dog experience, and did have titles on my current dogs. I am thankful that she trusted me with one of her show quality pups, not all breeders would have at that point, and I don't blame them!

    The vast majority of ethical breeders know pretty quickly who is serious and who isn't. With Barrett's breeder, I met her at a show, only briefly spoke with her that day. We because friends on FB, started talking, and 2yrs. later I have one of her bred bys.

    So I don't know, it really was never difficult for me. And in this day and age of Google, I really have no idea how people find it difficult to find good info. on breeders.

    Since I have quite a bit experience on the rescue side too, I will say that I know many people who got frustrated with a rescue and ended up going to a breeder instead. Lack of communication and ridiculous adoption qualifications are the two most common things I hear.
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  14. catchrcall

    catchrcall Good Dog Staff Member

    Some of the rescues are redonkulous. We are of course next to a military post and there's a couple rescues that wont allow soldiers to adopt.
  15. CrazyK9

    CrazyK9 Good Dog

    Its a really tough position to be in as a breeder or a rescue. You want what's best for the dogs you place.

    Some of them go overboard with the restrictions on who they sell/adopt to but I understand it. Does it push some people away? Sure it does. I do agree with the article that even when that is in the best interest of the dog to turn someone down, the rescue/breeder needs to do their best to attempt to educate the potential buyer/adopter and explain their reservations.

    With all the resources out there, there really is no excuse to buy from a bad breeder. If you get turned down by a single breeder or rescue, find another one. If you get turned away by multiple, evaluate your situation and make changes. Try again.
  16. stevespe

    stevespe Little Dog

    I had a difficult time adopting my girl. They wanted paperwork, proof that the homeowners would cover her, proof that I wasn't in a no pit zone, proof that I could care for her. Was ridiculous at first but when I said i wasn't interested in all of it they backed off. She was in a no kill shelter for a year.....they decided they wanted to find her a home more than be anal about it.....
  17. kady05

    kady05 Krypto Super Dog

    I don't find any of that ridiculous to adopt a dog, especially a Pit Bull. All of that information is easily obtainable.
  18. Beret

    Beret Bullyflop


    That's nothing, and I don't consider it extraneous at all.
  19. keagan

    keagan Little Dog

    One pet peeve is rescues that require you to have a fenced yard. Yes, it makes things easier, but on the other hand, fenced yards make a lot of dog owners lazier, since they just throw the dog out and ignore it. Of all the things to be concerned about with a potential home, IMO, this is the least worthy of concern. I've known GREAT dog owners who live in apartments or on too much property to fence - they just do more hands on stuff with their dogs. Then I know people with fenced yards who never even take their dogs for walks because "they get to play outside whenever they want". Fenced yards don't make a good responsible owner.

    I also object to rescues forcing a meet and greet between existing pets and basing their decisions on that. That's not the proper way to introduce animals in the first place, in many cases it can set the relationship off on the wrong foot, and besides, some people will be willing to adopt even if permanent crate and rotate is required, and don't need/care if the animals are best buddies.

    Most of the rest of their requirements are reasonable. Like those above. I think it's a failure when rescues DON'T require that info.
  20. Hotdog

    Hotdog Puppy

    We had a good experience with our breeders. we were connected by a mutual friend who mentioned we would be looking for a pup. We were told the three remaining pups were suitable for breeding stock and we could purchase one with restricted papers for 250. which did not give us breeding rights. We had her fixed anyway so it worked for us. If we wanted to have unrestricted papers she was going to cost us 900. and they reserved the right to first pup from the litter of their choosing. If we did breed her without consent they would charge us the remaining balance for the pup as well as market rate of their pups for every pup sold. I had not heard of a contract like before that but I guess its somewhat common. In the end I thought it worked out really well for us. We keep in contact and they have been very helpful as the months have gone by and do keep tabs on her development. We definitely got what we wanted.

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