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Which puppy would you choose?

Discussion in 'Breeder Discussion' started by Alan, Jan 5, 2008.

  1. Alan

    Alan Banned

    Both puppies look and act equally well. Both puppies have nice looking parens which are ADBA registered. Here is the difference.

    Puppy (A) has parents who have championed in conformation, weight pull and agility.

    Puppy (B) Has parents that have never proven themselves in anything.

    Puppy (A) has a bunch of no name dogs in the pedigree

    Puppy (B) has an awsome pedigree of game bred dogs.


    So the question is, all things the same, what is more important, the pedigree or the acomplishments of the parents?
     
  2. screamin'eagle

    screamin'eagle Good Dog

    all things being equal I'd go with puppy A over puppy B.
     
  3. Miakoda

    Miakoda GRCH Dog

    I would have to pass on both. The whole package can be found somewhere else. :D

    (& I'm saying this because of the "no name dogs" comment. With a ped full of "no name dogs" you have no idea if the parent dogs were flukes or time tested and proven and I'm not going to take that chance when I can go somewhere else and get exactly what I want ;) )
     
  4. Lassic

    Lassic Big Dog

    Do you plan on doing weight pull and agility? or is it just gonna be a fam pet?
    Just because thay look the same Remember dogs are like snow flakes theres no two alike, So make sure you visit both a couple of times and see witch one you really like.
     
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  5. Boogieman

    Boogieman Guest

    well i guess it would depend on if the "no name" dogs are scatterbred or linebred to some degree. a dog doesn't have to be famous to be a good dog. same thing with the other dog. i would pick the one that best suits my needs for what i am trying to accomplish with a pup. an awsome pedigree never made a dog great, but it sure is an idicator of what you "could/should" expect. it's not always going to pan out though. the main thing is to get the dog with some forethought of what your goals are and what purpose the dog is going to have at your house.
     
  6. Alan

    Alan Banned

    I probably confuse everyone sometimes because I am getting a puppy. Im going again today to look at them. This question though was just one of those conversation starters. That's one reason I'm on the mod team. I have a creative side to come up with questions to get conversations started. Most of the time, I have an answer or opinion. It's just to see what everyone else thinks. If it really is a question that I am personaly asking I always put "Real Question" in the subject heading lol.

    As for this one, I like the answer of searching for the whole 9 yards but that evades the question. The question was simply which do you think is more important, proven dogs up front with no pedigree to back them or unproven dogs up front with a pedigree to back them.

    As for me, if the proven dogs up front were game tested then Id take my chances reguardless of the pedigree. If they were just show/pull champions, Id go with the fancy pedigree.
     
  7. Boogieman

    Boogieman Guest

    lol i don't think that even comes close to what you asked above. lol that is a much different question than you posed above. now you're talking about "proven" dogs. a "proven" dog can't be bought as a pup. you're now talking about 2 year old dogs or older. i like your coversation type questions, but these 2 examples are far from the same. like i said before, a dog doesn't have to be famous to be a good dog. people work hard developing their own lines without the masses knowing who their dogs are or what they've accomplished.
     
  8. bahamutt99

    bahamutt99 Stealth ninja

    All things equal, I would pick A. It is the most in line with what I want to do with my own dogs. As far as I'm concerned, if there are titles in the pedigree, that doesn't make the dogs "no-name." It has to start somewhere.
     
  9. Alan

    Alan Banned

    I answered the original question then I just added the other part (about being proven) in to keep the conversation going. I wasnt talking about the puppy being proven. I was talking about the parents.;)


    I see what you mean though. I did word that wrong. Sometimes my hands out think my brain!
     
  10. Boogieman

    Boogieman Guest

    lmao it happens to the best of us! :p
     
  11. CoolHandJean

    CoolHandJean Krypto Super Dog

    I would choose A as well.
     
  12. fearlessknight

    fearlessknight Good Dog

    I really do not get it ...ok....

    puppy A has parents who have championed in conformation, weight pull and agility. AND this same puppy has a bunch of no name dogs in the pedigree....so that means that they are a bunch of no name dogs that you never heard of?

    AND

    Puppy B Has parents that have never proven themselves in anything BUT same puppy has an awsome pedigree of game bred dogs.

    I guess this last part is when I do not understand....sorry, I like to complicate things a little...and give folks a run for their money! :D

    These are all game BRED DOGS, or game TESTED DOGS in the last 4?
    Are they winners, or are they off of Old Time Winners and they themselves have done nothing? SORRY
     
  13. Alan

    Alan Banned

    OK the simplest way to phrase the question is this. What holds more bearing on the quality of a puppy, the acomplishments of the parents or a well put together pedigree?

    As phrased above, that is what I mean by no name dogs, dogs which were unheard of.
     
  14. Madusa

    Madusa Little Dog

    I personally would keep looking until I found a total package. :)
     
  15. jbh38

    jbh38 Puppy

    I would go for B
    Like my Diamond, her parents aren't titled, but she has a pedigree to die for, at least in my eyes, and I am doing a pedigree breeding with her, Wyatt is an ADBA Ch and has Ch in his pedigree, and Diamond is a looker, haven't really shown her, she will pull, but isn't crazy about it, anyway, these puppies, whatever they do, they will have a pedigree that I want and that is all that matters to me with her right now. She is a great little dog with a pedigree to back her up and if she ever comes into heat (getting really tired of waiting on her..) I will have wonderful little babies with great pedigrees! but Diamond is a great little dog, so I have the whole package truthfully, I guess I lucked out.
     
  16. fearlessknight

    fearlessknight Good Dog

    I agree with this...but if you had to choose between the two....I would go for the one that has parents worth something...not that it means anything....either way, you have the same...50/50 shot if you ask me...
    Pedigrees do not make the dogs and just because the parents were well to do..well known or not, does not mean that the pup will be......
    JMO
     
  17. Boogieman

    Boogieman Guest

    ok it's none of my business, but you posted it,....lol i hope you aren't talking about breeding that poor girl on her first heat cycle....or even 2nd or 3rd. poor girl. :(
     
  18. Miakoda

    Miakoda GRCH Dog

    IMO the chances of ending up with a stable working dog would not be in your favor in this situation. If only the parents were titled, then there is a great chance they would be flukes. And take the fact that you are then breeding them, well more goes into it than just their generation. Genetics isn't likely to play nicey nicey with you when breeding dogs who have seemingly been thrown together for no apparent reason.

    And breeding for pretty pedigrees can result in numerous litters of flunkies. There's a lot more to it than finding a dog with a nice pedigree and putting it together with absolutely no thought other than the other dog also has a nice pedigree. It takes knowledge and understanding of not just each dog and their history but also of genetics to try & get the best out of a breeding.

    So again, I will pass on both pups. :)
     
  19. Pit Bulldog

    Pit Bulldog Little Dog

    It depends. If the 'champion' parents are scatterbred, then their scatterbred offspring have a lower probability of turning into 'good' dogs, whatever your definition of a good dog is.

    If the parents have not accomplished anything but (1) there is a steady stream of 'good' dogs starting with the grandparents, 2. the dogs are not scatterbred (ie linebred, backrossed, proven outcross, etc), and 3. the breeder has a good reputation amongst peers, you will have a higher probability of getting a 'good' dog.
     
  20. Patch O' Pits

    Patch O' Pits Good Dog

    So true!!

    I've learned a lot over the years on how to evaluate puppies and how the eval turned out would play the biggest factor for me in choosing.
    No two pups are identical so there would be something that set one apart from the other IMO.

    If I had nothing to go off of besides the info posted and couldn't do the eval. Most likely I would not take either
     

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