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Which Liver from Which Animal is the Best to Feed Your Pup?

Discussion in 'Raw Food Diets' started by MaRS, Jan 22, 2015.

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  1. NobodyHere

    NobodyHere Guest

    Kind of hard to give you an answer to your original question when you have little apparent understanding of canine nutrition and are already "spoiling" your dog with unnecessary crap, while altering any nutritional value that aforementioned unnecessary crap would have to begin with. Maybe if you fed your dog a normal diet we'd have a reasonable baseline to work with.

    It's an internet forum, not a ranked FPS.

    I'm not the first, nor the only person to question what and why you're feeding your dog what it is you're feeding. This has nothing to do with what I know more about than who and everything to do with what YOU don't know enough about. You just stated that the only filler in your dog's diet IS the kibble, which would mean that steaks and vegetables make up the primary source of nutrition for your dog, and that is NOT balanced or healthy.

    Yes, and? There are people who (to list an extreme example) have their dogs on entirely vegan diets, too, but a reasonable person wouldn't be wrong to scratch their heads over it, or question their knowledge of canine nutrition.
     
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  2. ShanaRowan

    ShanaRowan FlirtPolin' Premium Member

    I am currently feeding pork livers. After that, we'll be trying turkey liver. However, if you're going to be adding liver you should consider balancing it with an equal amount of another organ to avoid liver poisoning.
     
  3. AdonisOnHigh

    AdonisOnHigh Little Dog Premium Member

    Is he neutered? If so then he honestly looks fine to me, heck even if he's not he still looks fine. Adonis is a neutered mutt and didn't get a tuck until after he turned 1 so I wouldn't be completely disturbed if it takes your boy longer than 7 months to develop a tuck, he should have a defined waist no matter what though. My only concern would be that you could be overloading on certain vitamins which can be very detrimental in itself and can cause problems absorbing other vitamins as well. I see nothing wrong with spoiling him as long as he's working it off and you're keeping track of what all you're putting in. I'd drop the kibble and just go full PMR (prey model raw). I can't comment on the liver question but I figure you could try different species to see which he likes best then stick with that, I hear it's hard to get some dogs to eat it. These are just my opinions but I really don't see anything wrong as long as he isn't crazy fat and dying from too many or not enough vitamins. Anyone feeding a raw diet is at risk of not getting the proper nutrient balance so don't let anyone make you feel like crap because you're being fancy about it lol.
     
  4. _unoriginal

    _unoriginal Cow Dog

    This poor pup's diet is severely unbalanced. It's so sad that he'll very likely have skeletal issues due to your "special" feeding.
     
  5. AdonisOnHigh

    AdonisOnHigh Little Dog Premium Member

    What part of his special feedings would cause him to have skeletal issues? That's a genuine question. I've been taught that it would take an extreme vitamin D and calcium deficiency to cause actual skeletal issues. If that were the case you'd be able to see these issues just looking at the dog since he's likely been on this diet or something similar since the OP has had him.
     
  6. _unoriginal

    _unoriginal Cow Dog

    In feeding any diet, proper calcium to phosphorus levels are very important. The OP is giving kibble (balance) and adding in meat (phosphorus) and essentially throwing the balance way off. Adding Nupro (balance) is fine but it's not countering the phosphorus that's been added. He's basically feeding a growing pup a high phosphorus diet, which will result in calcium deficiencies leading to any number of skeletal issues.
     
  7. AdonisOnHigh

    AdonisOnHigh Little Dog Premium Member

    True, I don't know how I forgot that after having it hammered into my brain last semester in feeds. But if he's getting enough vitamin D, which will be converted to calcium, he can make up for some of the excess phosphorus he's getting. Also, it's not really a calcium deficiency, he probably has all the calcium his little body needs, the problem is too much phosphorus. It can be fixed by adding bone to the diet upping the calcium, but I would just nix the kibble and go full PMR to lessen the confusing.
     
  8. _unoriginal

    _unoriginal Cow Dog

    Vitamin D helps the body absorb calcium; it doesn't become calcium.
     
  9. DancesWithCurs

    DancesWithCurs Good Dog

    This. The point is to find balance. Too much is bad, too little is also bad and skeletal issues are not always readily apparent until you get slapped with a nice fat vet bill
     
  10. MaRS

    MaRS Banned

    So what should I take out?

    This morning I fed him this;

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    This is one cup of all white breast (lightly cooked), 2 tablespoons of cottage cheese, 1 scoop of Nupro, 4 teaspoons of Salmon Oil and about 1 cup of Blue Wilderness

    I used the tennis ball for reference. Also the bowl is about 3/4 of the way filled.

    Also how can you properly figure out a calcium to phosphorus percentage?
     
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  11. MaRS

    MaRS Banned

    The treats he gets are chicken hearts and lamb hearts, freeze dried of course. I forget who makes them, the Petco near me just started stocking them and he absolutely goes berzerk when he sees me pulling them out. He gets roughly 1 maybe 2 a day. I also use Merricks Salmon training bites for praise after and during drills. But that is not everyday.

    I'm pulling the beef franks out of his diet and stopping with the steaks except for once a week, because I do like feeding him those. You would know what I mean if you saw him when I pull them out of the fridge. Maybe I'll stick keeping it like a Friday thing.

    So I figure I'll start with this;

    Feeding 1-2 times a day
    1 cup kibble (Blue Wilderness)
    1 cup all white turkey breast lightly cooked
    2 tablespoons of cottage cheese
    4 teaspoons of salmon oil
    1 scoop Nupro (breakfast only)

    Hows that? Feel free to add or subject anything.

    Also, when is it time to switch from puppy food to adult food. I have been told a couple of different things. Any where from 8 months to 12 months old.


    Reply to Adonis, yes he is neutered.
     
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  12. DancesWithCurs

    DancesWithCurs Good Dog

    Consider switching the breasts for feet, uncooked a couple of times a week. If he's eating organs as treats i probably wouldn't add any more. Tbh have you considered just going raw? I think your pup would benefit from an owner willing to explore multiple source feeding
     
  13. Beatrix Kiddo

    Beatrix Kiddo Good Dog

    oh lord. just terrible lol. do your homework before you start creating unbalanced concoctions to feed your dog. You "think" you're doing a great thing, which is why people say ignorance is bliss... do your due diligence.
     
  14. Team Peanut

    Team Peanut GRCH Dog

    Omg I can imagine his tummy being constantly working trying to digest so many different foods and styles of processing. I would suggest to you for now feed him just his kibble read up on the forum as many threads as you can on nutrition and raw foods decide which direction you want to go that way he is eating a healthy balanced diet because right now he's eating a mess. I understand you are meaning well but meaning well and doing well are two different things.
     
  15. TannerG

    TannerG Boss Member

    Everything except one kibble and the salmon oil. You really aren't doing the dog any favors by giving him the crazy mixture. Do you really think it's benefitting your dog?
     
  16. _unoriginal

    _unoriginal Cow Dog

    When to switch to adult feed is the absolute least of your worries.
     
  17. _unoriginal

    _unoriginal Cow Dog

    If you truly love your dog and want him to be a happy, healthy animal, you will pick either a balanced raw diet, which we can help you with, or a kibble diet. It's okay to mix a little of this and that in, but what you are doing is nutritionally inadequate and actually potentially harmful. We can tell you love your dog, but what you are doing is not in his best interests.
     
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