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whats obama going to ban next?????????????

Discussion in 'Controversial Topic Discussion' started by alex123, May 17, 2011.

  1. chloesredboy2

    chloesredboy2 Good Dog

    I meant to say "with", "We all enjoy laughing with alex" :p

    ---------- Post added at 01:53 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:41 AM ----------

    alex,I'm hungry.Get your ass in the kitchen and make me something to eat.And for fucks sake,wear a hairnet, son!
     
  2. alex123

    alex123 Big Dog

    thats better, i fried up some pork chops from the hogs we killed last year and made some fresh cornbread from our field corn, and some green beans that we canned last year and some fresh lettuce from this year does that sound good
     
  3. chloesredboy2

    chloesredboy2 Good Dog

    I don't really like pork,but yes it does sound pretty good.Only one question, "You gone eat yo cornbread"?
     
  4. alex123

    alex123 Big Dog

    iv already ate half of it lol
     
  5. pookie!

    pookie! GRCH Dog

    I need a cast iron to make cornbread, the ones that are in the little shapes of an ear of corn :) my Gma refuses to give me those ones....
     
  6. alex123

    alex123 Big Dog

    i have a wall full of them, thats what i make my cornbread in, well i cook everything in them lol
     
  7. pookie!

    pookie! GRCH Dog

    I know my Gma has a ton of the big and small round ones, but she also has this cool one that has little ears of corn and they cornbread comes out in this corn shapes lol
     
  8. alex123

    alex123 Big Dog

    o nice lmfao haha
     
  9. pookie!

    pookie! GRCH Dog

    Like this [​IMG]
     
  10. megschristina

    megschristina Moderator

    Hopefully he bans the rewards for bad choices program..er I mean welfare....

    It'd be nice to keep some of my money that i work my ass off earning someday...yep...pretty much the most intellegent decision he could make...
     
  11. Username!

    Username! Little Dog

    We just had the greatest transfer of wealth in the history of this country which went from the taxpayer straight to the bankers bank accounts and you're bitching about poor people?!? Get real!!!!!!

    Funny how all you people keep bitching about welfare for the poor but nobody really seems to care about welfare for the banks, corporations or the rich! You know... the richest people in the world that don't need it because they're already worth billions or trillions. But keep beating up and hating the poor because they are your real enemies. Get a clue people!

    How about the welfare programs to the banks like TARP, TALF, PPIP, FRB, EESA. These programs alone give trillions to the same bankers that bankrupted the country but somehow nobody seems to care.:eek:

    One very small example is when the Federal Reserve forked over $220 million in bailout money through TALF to the wives of two Morgan Stanley bigwigs. So far TALF alone has cost the taxpayers $ 200 billion. But lets cut college loan programs, home heating oil programs for the poor and food stamps for the poor.

    When are people going to start going after the people that are actually causing the problem and stop going after the easy targets?:confused:

    The Real Housewives of Wall Street | Rolling Stone Politics
     
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  12. Obed

    Obed Good Dog Premium Member

    you are quite correct about the bailouts, welfare for the rich corporations... but he is right about welfare concerns too...
    lets get rid of all the corruption instead of accepting it in one category while complaining about it in another....I believe folks have a right to starve to death, or to succeed.. based on their ability, not based on what is taken from other folks for their benefit....let the fat cats and the skinny ones provide for themselves, make it or break it on their own...
     
  13. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    Yep, I agree.

    Jason Lewis had a GREAT riff on this "entitlement mentality" we have in this country. I paraphrase when he says, "we are NOT a village, you are NOT my brother, I am NOT your sister, I will NOT work as hard for someone else as for my OWN self-interests; and the only way we are bound together in this country is that we are all INDIVIDUALS, free to pursue what we want as long as we do others no harm! We are the European welfare state ON STEROIDS! We talk about cutting this and cutting that, but SOMEONE is going to scream and claim we are killing the babies or ruining the farmers as soon as THEIR program is mentioned for cuts. We as a society are SO entrenched on the GOVERNMENT's role in "fixing it" and "making ME whole". Nothing gets done because politically, it's SUICIDE to try to re-vamp the most costly things!

    From the top to the bottom, get rid of the subsidies, don't bail anyone out (banks, car companies, investment companies) and get rid of a lot of welfare, quit promoting 4 year education as the be all end all, get the government out of the mortgage business ,the energy subsidizing business, reform Medicare and Medicaid and SS (they are going to take more than tweaking and raising taxes on the "rich").

    I really don't know that Americans have it in them to handle what it's going to take to put this country back on track. Because it's going to take a whole shift in how they view government....we are a nation built around the rights of the INDIVIDUAL, not of any group, or minority. As Lewis puts it, our constitution is built around the greatest minority of all, the individual.

    Jason Lewis Show 05/18/11-3rd Hour - News Talk 100.3 FM -- Minneapolis/St. Paul

    Just listen to the first 15 minutes...

    Carla
     
  14. Username!

    Username! Little Dog

    Corporate welfare costs more than 3 times what welfare for the poor costs!

    So we don't need Pell grants to allow low income people to get a college education? If not then they will become a bigger drain on society. Pell grants allow us to compete with countries like China and India?

    We should let hundreds of thousands of children in this country starve to death or freeze to death? I thought this was the greatest country in the world? Yet we should give tax cuts to billionaires and people with hundreds of millions in the top 2%? And don't tell me it creates jobs because it really doesn't. The rich use the tax break to buy a nice car or go on a nice vacation or just put it in the bank.

    Stop nation building around the world and then get back to me about letting our impoverished children starve and freeze to death.

    Every dollar spent by the government on welfare benefits for the unemployed produces an overall return of $1.61 for the economy. Again, you can't have a consumer based economy with little to no consumers.

    Sagebrush you say, "I paraphrase when he says, "we are NOT a village, you are NOT my brother, I am NOT your sister..."

    Are you a believer? Because that's not what the bible says and you don't get to pick and choose which parts you like or don't like.

    If we cut all social safety nets there would be zero upward mobility in this country. The US already ranks second to last by the OECD for upward mobility. Upward mobility is what the American dream is all about.

    1 in 6 children live in poverty in this country!

    While the top 5% owns over 60% of the country but only pay on average 15%-17% on their earnings... while everyone else pays at least 30%.

    80% of the people in this country only own a total of 7% of the money. You can't have a consumer based economy with 80% of the country only holding 7% of all the money. It's just very simple math and facts. You can try to warp those facts anyway you want and complain about taxes and poor people. But that isn't the problem. The math is on my side and the math cannot be manipulated as easy as words.

    I never see anyone using numbers just emotions like "I don't want to pay more taxes" even though getting rid of the Bush tax cuts for the top 2% doesn't even effect you unless you make $ 250,000. Your always complaining about the debt... do you realize those tax breaks for the rich added $ 2.5 - $ 3 trillion to the debt? The 2 stupid wars we're in will cost $ 3 trillion. We've also given banks trillions and in return they cause the worst depression since the great depression. So is the problem really lazy poor people?

    The richest 400 people in America literally own half the country! But keep on blaming everyone else for being lazy... as if that's the real reason this country is in the crapper!!!!!
     
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  15. Obed

    Obed Good Dog Premium Member

    define consumer based economy and tell why you think we are one.. and why we should be one....
    and if you are going to use the scripture to talk about being a village, remember you are not talking about the government defining and taking care of that village... the government interference is one reason we are not that village....
    and you have a habit of combining issues....as though we can not deal with one, with out dealing with them all at the same time...
    I agree that each of the issues you have talked about need to be dealt with, but talking about eliminating the illegal actions of the government in what is falsely labeled welfare, and tieing that in with nation building.. does not hold water, it is apples and oranges....both need to be dealt with, but we can not stick our heads in the sand and say that if we don't do one, we can not do the other.... either that or you are using your idea of morals and ethics and picking the order in which you want things dealt with...helping the poor, the down trodden, was not really the reason our states united, became united in the first place... it is about individual liberties and freedom... the largest minority in this nation today is the individual... he has been lost...and we damn sure need to find him again...the french are the ones who put that false idea out there about sending us your poor.. your down trodden... fuck that... keep your poor, keep your down trodden... bring on the ones who want their liberty, who want their freedom, who will take care of themselves.. who will fight to be able to produce to their ability and have the pride in their freedom and liberty to survive on their own merits... who would be offended by handouts....who do not want your charity or your sympathy, who want to be left alone... who will stand, not kneel...
     
  16. Username!

    Username! Little Dog

    Obed your asking me to "define consumer based economy and tell why you think we are one.. and why we should be one...."

    Our economy is a consumer based economy; it's just a simple fact... 70% of GDP is consumer spending. Google it. It has nothing to do with my beliefs or if we should or shouldn't be one. It seems like our economy is turning into a export based economy which is part of the reason everything is turning to sh!t!

    I found this quote and it explains it pretty well,

    "US GDP is about $14 trillion. 10 trillion of that is consumer spending, which is about 70%. The government spends about 3 trillion or 20%, which is calculated separately in GDP. Finally the US invests 2 trillion dollars in new capital each year. This new equipment helps the economy grow.

    If you add the numbers 10 + 2 + 3 = 15 not 14 .We get more goods from other countries than we send to them (we have a trade deficit). In exchange we give other countries $s or the promise of future $s (treasuries). Most of the time with the $s other countries buy US assets including capital or create new capital".

    Also it's not apples to oranges. It's all money and I think we should cut corporate welfare before welfare for the poor or working class. Do I think there's also a problem with welfare abuse by the poor... ABSOLUTLY!!!!! It's just not at all on the same level or of the same importance as billionaires controlling the political system so they can legally steal money, bankrupt the world and and defraud US taxpayers.
     
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  17. Obed

    Obed Good Dog Premium Member

    to me it is the same thing... I believe welfare is an evil thing... it degrades people.. it bypasses morality and ethics...
    and evil is evil.. you do not do away with evil for one set of people and say it is ok for another set....if we are to abolish an evil, we have to do it across the board.. not one set of ethics for the poor and another set of ethics for the rich.. that is a problem we currently have...
    get rid of the evil all together....abolish it for the rich and the poor.. forget rich or poor.. abolish the evil...
    forget the pc version.. forget who is right... and deal on the basis of WHAT is right...
    robbing from one to give to another is wrong no matter if you are robbing from the rich or the poor...that is only one of the reasons we have a diminishing middle class....restore the responsibility of individuality... make it more than an idea that we cling to....bring back freedom in more than concept....be what we claim to be instead of the hypocritical country that we have become...trying to foster something in other countries that we do not have here...
     
  18. Username!

    Username! Little Dog

    A consumer based economy is the very thing Republicans like yourself are all about... The Free market. That free market is the consumer based economy where you have a choice to buy or not buy.

    So in all reality you should be the one telling me "why we should be one..."
     
  19. Obed

    Obed Good Dog Premium Member


    ooops, wow, did you goof... I am not a damn republican....
    I am not a fucked up democrat either... neither of those folks give a damn about the poor people at all, both use them for their own political game...
    poor folks are just pawns to their retention of power... neither group ever intends to do more than make noise about welfare and reforms to the programs.... let us not forget, it was the republicans who founded the idea of bail outs and the democrats who continued the program... both groups are knee deep in our ass with welfare.....
    and the invasion of our privacy and the removal of our rights as per the patriot act... it is still hanging around....

    the republican party can kiss my ass....and i would not piss on them if they were burning...
     
  20. Username!

    Username! Little Dog

    My bad about calling you a Republican:lol:... I should have known better! You are pretty right leaning that's for sure. I totally agree with what you just said in that last post! I'm neither a Dem or Repub either. I like to formulate my own opinions rather than just take them from a pundit.

    But I'm pretty sure I've previously seen you posting about the free market though; which is just another word for the consumer based economy.
     

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