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What ya think

Discussion in 'American Bully' started by skylar0420, Mar 6, 2011.

  1. Lee D

    Lee D Good Dog

    im gonna give ya some props for that answer PinkP. i wish more bully owners thought like you all
    id have no beef with the breed if theyre properly identified and looked like Cleo
  2. skylar0420

    skylar0420 Banned

    Not trying to get anything started (JUST CURIOUS) what do you see as faults a lot of these dogs fall in the standards they wrote. There arent any other reg. standards out there. Not saying I agree just trying to keep an open mind and see both sides of the fence.

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    You also have to look at the other side I spoke with people at abkc shows and on other boards who see it different I guess thats what makes the world turn. In there eyes they think a classic bully 16-20 inchs 50-70 pounds shouldn't be seen as a bully. I have been told by several others that a bully is made up of more muscle mass, heavier bone, and more compact than what a classic is bringing to the table. Quote from a judge at a ABKC in SC he said "A classic bully is a over weight apbt that needs condention" he said that they use calling it a bully as a excuse. Not saying I agree just saying what was said by this judge. So I just try to keep a open mind and look on both sides
  3. Pink

    Pink GRCH Dog

    Thanks Lee. :)

    I actually get hardly any respect from the ABKC, so I'm not giving them any positive feedback right now.
    We went to the Perry, Georgia show a few weeks ago, (my first show ever) and took Cleo.
    This pic was the day of the show before we left.
    You can figure out the rest. :no2:
    I guess a dog that doesn't look like a goliath monster, isn't worth being called an American Bully in their opinion.

    But, I will not completely give up on them.. she will be shown in the classic class at the Bully Palooza.
    Hopefully these judges will think different of her.

    Ok enough of that.. back to the OP! ;)

    ---------- Post added at 12:03 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:00 PM ----------

    What did I tell ya Lee..
    It's ridiculous in my eyes. :no2:
  4. skylar0420

    skylar0420 Banned

    Thats a great looking classic it's a lot of politics...... But, you have to keep in mind they accept your breed where other reg. (ukc and akc) you and I and other bully owners would be a laughing stock at.
  5. Kamdon

    Kamdon GRCH Dog

    You wanna know what I think is faults? Curly tails, bowed legs, easty westy feet and heads that are too big for their body. MOST of those dogs in that video ARE very faulty.
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  6. skylar0420

    skylar0420 Banned

    But, see that is what you think the reg. the only reg. I stress state different. What are you basing that off of. What you think a bully should be. Hell if thats the case I think if someone breaks in my house in a threating manner or not I should be able to kill them. NC LAW. But, by NC law I cant unless they are in threating manner. So you can't go by what you think or feel you have to go by guide lines.
    A lot of the east and west feet could be fixed as pups and the bowing legs. I know because I have corrected many. Have got pups and grown dogs thats was over fed and given very high protein and didnt have any exercise to help burn it. Thats a owner fault not dogs.
  7. Kamdon

    Kamdon GRCH Dog

    So you are saying bowed legs and easty westy feet is a human error and not from breeding faulty dogs?
  8. skylar0420

    skylar0420 Banned


    So in your eyes this dog has many faults

    O forgot to say he is a ABKC GRAND CHAMPION
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  9. Kamdon

    Kamdon GRCH Dog

    Cleo is what a Bully should be. Even Cratos on here is what a bully is. Almost all the bullies on this site id what a bully is suppose to be. That's my opinion. A dog that can't lick his own balls without running out of breath is also another fault. To compete they should be conditioned. Not fat. Its my opinion. Its not the same as yours but I respect your opinion but don't agree with it
  10. skylar0420

    skylar0420 Banned

    No thats not what I am saying I am saying that a lot cases can be fixed as a pup. It comes from have week fronts. A lot of bully owners get it confused they want heavy bone well defined muscles and in result they over load a coach potato with protein
  11. Kamdon

    Kamdon GRCH Dog

    No. That is a good looking dog. The pic is kinda small but I get the idea. His front legs are straight and his feet are correct. I like that dog

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    Can you find a bigger picture of that dog?
  12. skylar0420

    skylar0420 Banned

    I am not stating a opinion I am stating what the only standards or bully reg guidelines say. I am don't pick sides or kiss asses. I like classic I have seen some great looking one's on here, I like pockets, I like xl. I like standards like dirty money he is a standard abkc grand champion he is in the ABKC eyes what a standard bully is. I see them as what they are designer dogs with no purpose other than pets.

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    didnt proof read didn't mean to put AM ;-)
  13. Kamdon

    Kamdon GRCH Dog

    If they have no other purpose than to be pets then to each their own. But taking them to shows and trying to win these shows is allowing people to think that faults are the standard. I know that these dogs win shows. In my opinion it is sad. Because if that is what the standard for what the breed is suppose to be then I will just call my dogs mutts. Do I like pockets? Yes. But as pets. Do I like XXL? Yes. But again as pets. I think that when the bully was being developed they should have been training it with a job. Like all other breeds that are in the show ring have come from a working breed. Do I love my dogs for what they are? Yes sir. Pets.

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    And both of my dogs have faults that keep they out of the ring. My females back legs are too straight. My pups tail is too curly. I would want the best and only the best to be shown for what the breed is suppose to be.

    It just sucks that people with wild looking dogs that have them as pets should keep them as pets, not show dogs
  14. skylar0420

    skylar0420 Banned

    I agree with that 100% but, the average person and I SAY AVERAGE person buys a dog for 1. Looks 2. There living conditions 3. temperment the average pet owner don't owns a dog cause he can hurd sheep or whatever. The main person say's omg that is a pretty dog I want one......lol But, I do have a apbt thats the best damn deer around here coon,beagels,hoods could only dream of being lol...

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    O forgot and reason with the pockets, and xl are being showed because they reach the breed standards for there class. Where if the standard bully had slight east and west feet they would be frowned upon in abkc. A pocket could get away with due to there standards and build. It's kinda hard to make that comparison. Just look at the poodle breed or any other breed that carry standard and pocket. Only one that has me saying wtf is xl.
  15. mstngchic2012

    mstngchic2012 Good Dog

    The Bully standards are too open ended. As long as it "looks" like it fits into a standard based on height and weight then it can be registered and shown in the ring. They are crap for standards. They need to come up with actual standards that actually makes sure that the dogs can perform some sort of task - not just walking half a block before getting winded.
  16. ButterflySouls

    ButterflySouls Little Dog

    I'm just gonna say..
    Music: EW.
    Dogs: EWWW.*

    *If any of these were in a shelter when I happened to be looking for a dog, then I would choose them. Would I buy one?
  17. Bubblz Calhoun

    Bubblz Calhoun Good Dog

    You keep trying to compare Bully Classes to Poodles when they are nothing a like. Poodles have a Solid Standard just as most other breeds with different classes. The only difference in the standards is the size of the animal. Pick 6 from any class, line them up you'll see the uniformity and that they are still Poodles.

    You can't even do that in 1 Class with Am Bullies because just about each one would look completely different. From people constantly mixing in other breeds as well as breeding faulty specimens and dogs that shouldn't be bred at all. The only uniformity you might have is there's a whole lot of Blues and other diluted coat colors.

    Their Standards alone are contradictions and left wide open to be determined by the public and the judges at a show. When breeders can't even figure out what class to place (try to fit) their dog in until they actually get to the show. If something as basic as that is not a red flag,.. I don't know what is.

    Don't get me wrong,... I like Bullies, I have one and I have seen some pretty decent specimens from each class. But just like everything else,.. its the people behind them that I have issues with
  18. skylar0420

    skylar0420 Banned

    You may not be able to because you have no clue what a standard looks like what you think maybe standard are classics. And yes a pocket does looks like a smaller more compact verson of a standard. Classic look a lot more cleaner than the other 2 consedering they were the mold where all the other bullies came from Hence the name Classic

    heres a standard if you never seen one

    dirty money.jpg

  19. skylar0420

    skylar0420 Banned

    "Their Standards alone are contradictions and left wide open to be determined by the public and the judges at a show. When breeders can't even figure out what class to place (try to fit) their dog in until they actually get to the show. If something as basic as that is not a red flag,.. I don't know what is."

    I agree with that but, as a breeder or a handler you should know where your dogs fit in. Only thing I see at the shows are people getting there dogs heights measured all depending on how you stack them or if they are younger than 1.5 to 2 they are still growing a average bully breeder or follower knows the difference between a pocket standard classic and xl

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    And hell there are stupid people behind everything stupid people has the BSL poppin up like damn roaches.....lol but, dont down the breed over stupid people.
  20. mstngchic2012

    mstngchic2012 Good Dog

    This is not always the case though. People who buy bullies and breed them don't always know what they are doing even a lot of the so called pros who are selling their nasty ass dogs for the price of a brand new car - you see this all over the internet. They are even calling their dogs pit bulls when they are NOT. The bully world in it's current state is honestly a joke IMO. IF they would tighten down their standards and clean up the dogs I wouldn't have much of an issue. I will admit I have seen some nice looking dogs - pink princess, PHP, darkknight, and bluestark probably have some of the best looking bullies on the forum and even better than some of the "famous" dogs out there. They have dogs that should be what bullies resemble.

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