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What makes dogs different from 'food' animals?

Discussion in 'Dog Debates' started by Poisoned, Jan 7, 2013.

  1. Poisoned

    Poisoned GRCH Dog

    In my personal experiences, most people seemed disgusted, offended, and shocked at the prospect of eating Tank or Hunter and Bella. And their excuse is generally along the lines of:
    Dogs are PETS, they're bred to be PETS, they're more intelligent than farm animals for one. And farm animals are meant to be food anyway.

    But this really isn't the truth, well it is in the sense that most farm animals are indeed raised only to be slaughtered. Any of the people I've debated with in person, I know for a fact eat bacon. Pigs make spectacular pets, and they are definitely more intelligent than dogs. Scientists actually believe they're capable of complex thought and emotion - but people don't really bat an eye at the horrendous way they're treated and slaughtered so we can have bacon. Now, if we had videos and pictures showing similar treatment of dogs (not from Korea, Turkey, etc. I mean in the US, Canada, etc.) in factories for food, the uproar would be tremendous. Why? Because we as humans have been rather brainwashed - for lack of better term - into seeing dogs as so much higher, important, and worth so much more than other animals.

    I think it was Japan(?) that was killing Dolphins, and eating them.. I mean just nasty cruelly killing them, and people everywhere who saw the videos were sickened and angry - rightfully! Seeing something so brutally and evilly killed is shocking. But it's no worse than how the animals are killed in the US for food. What makes dolphins so special? Or horses, whales, cats, dogs, guinea pigs, you name it.


    I wouldn't eat a dog, having owned them and bonded with them, and living in an area where I wouldn't even need to eat meat period to survive.


    Here's a pig, who's still practically a piglet. Not even one year old. I like showing this to people who say it's alright to eat pig, but not dog, because they're so dumb it really doesn't matter.
    [video=youtube;x9wWPbB6rQg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9wWPbB6rQg[/video]



    I eat meat, I still eat pork, but I'm able to see it from different sides - And it's an interesting debate. What makes dogs (or horses, or dolphins, or cats) different from typical food animals, like cows, pigs, or lambs and etc.?

    Keep it civil, you can get your point across without being rude or insulting.
     
  2. MMSmith

    MMSmith Good Dog

    That's a really good question. For me, it's the bond I have with my dog that makes him different from a pig or chicken. That's why I'll probably never keep food animals. If I have anything, it'll be chickens for eggs, and I don't think I'd ever be able to eat one of my chickens. Could I still eat chicken? Probably. But not my own.

    It doesn't really bother me that other cultures eat dogs and cats. Every culture is different and does things that are taboo to others. As long as no one forces me to eat something I don't want, I'm ok. But at the same time I'm not ok with any type of food animal being raised or killed inhumanely.

    It's not easy for me to draw the line between 'food' and 'pet' so I try not to let the two meet. My grandfather was a farmer and landowner up into his 70s. He raised several kinds of meat animals that he slaughtered himself (and humanely). It was very difficult for me to eat any of the farm animals so I avoided bonding with those destined for the table while I was visiting. My grandparents also did not make me help with the slaughtering or preparation of the food, so that made the disconnect a bit easier as well.

    It's all a matter of perspective, as well as a cultural gap. No harm in being different.
     
  3. JoeBingo

    JoeBingo Banned

    Would you eat your best friend? If it was a dog, cat, horse, cow, pig or monkey?

    On the other hand, the people that breed dogs as livestock (puppy mills) don't care what you do with your dog one way or the other.
     
  4. Tiffany3483

    Tiffany3483 Good Dog

    Well dogs are my best friends and I'm not eating my friends. Overall, I am against eating most predators. I think prey animals were meant to be eaten, but not predators. Horses however, I think are held to a more important status due to what they have done for people over the years. They helped advance society and plus they bond so well with us. Any endangered species I am against. There are plenty of other protein sources that we have no reason to kill and eat something who's population is not healthy.

    While I may eat a pork, I wouldn't eat my Pet pig even if it died, same for my goats. They were buried and had a memorial and plant planted over them to remember them. Same for my Iguana. My brother had a friend from Mexico and he took one look at my Iguanas and ask when we were going to eat the big one. He wouldn't be good if we let him get much bigger. I think the look on my face answered that question. Sweet Pea was not on the menu and never was going to be!
     
  5. JoeBingo

    JoeBingo Banned

    It's against my religion to eat pets. No one in our congregation does that.
     
  6. MJJean

    MJJean GRCH Dog

    That pig was damn cute!!!

    I have long struggled with eating pork and even with the idea I could one day have to use medication made from pigs or have a surgery that required a valve from a pig. Why? Because my neighbor many years ago had a pot bellied pig that was as well trained and personable as any dog I have met and knowing that pig made me think along lines I probably never would have otherwise. Now that I am working on some weight loss and lowering my blood pressure as well as my chances of having a heart attack. So, I don't eat pork chops or loin or even sausage anymore. Not totally off of pig, but it's very, very, rare for me to have any. And I must admit I feel a teeny bit better conscience wise.

    Still eat cow and chicken and fish because I haven't been friends with those animals. I guess that's what makes the difference. Friendship. My dogs are my friends and I like them more than most people. If there was a zombie apocalypse and no food being processed and I were in danger of starving I would try hunting wild game and if that failed I think I honestly would be more likely to eat some asshole human than one of my dogs. Meat is meat unless you're my buddy, lol.

    My husband and I were talking over dinner a few nights ago about the idea of having chickens for eggs and meat. He said "I couldn't eat anyone who lived on my property or in my house that depended on me for care". So, he's even worse than me.

    Reminds me of an old Dennis Leary bit (Beware language if the F word offends you)
    Denis Leary about drugs and vegetarians - YouTube
     
  7. catchrcall

    catchrcall Good Dog Staff Member

    If I eat my dogs who'll catch the hogs??

    I wouldn't knowingly eat a dog, or a horse. It's just not at all appetizing to me. I would tend to agree that they are in a different class than other stock. My reasoning is because they commonly WORK for us, rather than just being a walking meal. It's fine to say that dogs and horses are in a different class than other stock as long as we don't turn them into humans. The dumbest damn thing (related to animals anyway) this country allowed to happen was to outlaw the slaughter of horses because we felt bad for them. Now they get crammed into trucks and shipped to Mexico or sometimes Canada where we have zero control over how they are handled and killed. Or abandoned somewhere. Way to go fellas. Lotta good you did those horses.

    I don't choose to eat them but as long as those who do aren't getting their next meal out of my yard I really don't care.
     
  8. canine12

    canine12 Puppy

    vegan over here. all animals matter to me.
     
  9. jacko

    jacko Big Dog

    do you think it goes way back to when we welcomes dogs into our fold ? since then we have bred them to suit our needs and not our taste. so to speak...lol
     
  10. Jamielvsaustin

    Jamielvsaustin Good Dog

    You bring up a good point. Last year there were a bunch of people on facebook bitching about "horse slaughter" and I just couldn't understand it. What's the difference?

    I understand being upset about the treatment of animals that are solely raised for food. (or just animals in general) I even get not eating animals because they're endangered. But beyond that, really, what's the difference. We are the appex preditor. Now, with that said, I'm a big believer in "just because you can, doesn't mean you should".
     
  11. Poisoned

    Poisoned GRCH Dog

    I used to be REALLY into fish keeping, I loved my stinking fish, some more than others. I certainly cried recently when my handicapped koi kicked the bucket, she was cool as it gets, she'd come rest in your hands and let you stroke her. Same with my Fantail goldfish, I'd had her for years, she was blind and she trusted me completely. She would let me lift her out of the water, and move her all around, upside down, check her gills and anything I wanted pretty much.

    But I can still catch, kill, clean and eat wild fish. I don't enjoy killing them or causing them pain, but I see it as free food for me AND the dogs. Also I really like deer, there's a very friendly one at a local petting zoo/sanctuary, but I would still definitely hunt and eat deer meat. I think, however, if I even raised or really bonded with a deer, I couldn't. I used to let the dogs' chase squirrels all over in the yard for stealing the pecans, and I don't even let them anymore unless I know it'll get away after bottle raising a baby squirrel and bonding very tight with him, even after he was released, he stayed with me and came home every day to play and hang out. It's all psychological I suppose. Some people can raise, love, and still eat an animal. I know a guy who cares very well for his cattle.. He bottle feeds the little ones who need it, he names some of them and he kept one from being slaughtered because she saved the other cattle once, but he still sends the ones he's raised from birth to slaughter, and I'm sure eats them himself. I couldn't.

    I've never owned a horse, but any time I'm around one I feel very close to him or her, and there's one in particular that I just freaking adore, he's a retired racer that stays at a farm/sanctuary that is open to the public. Horses make me calm and happy for some reason.. I just don't think I could eat one.

    I also have a weird thing about eating predators. Land/air predators that is - shark tastes far too good.

    Chickens, turkeys, ducks, for some reason, I don't think I'd have a problem owning and slaughtering. I love birds, I've raised ducklings with their own names and everything and I cried when they died or were rehomed, and I think chickens are the cutest things ever. I just have some detachment if I'm not bonded with them for some reason.
     
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  12. Pittcanna

    Pittcanna Little Dog

    Heres my quick and short answer. Once you domesticate an animal it no longer becomes food.
     
  13. MsAcer

    MsAcer Good Dog

    Cows are domesticated, I eat those no problem.
    I would eat almost anything if it was raised and killed humanly. I try my best to eat local, farm raised animals. I know farmers who grass raise their stock and have them butchered at the farm.

    I don't want to eat dog, but I might if it were life or death. I just wouldn't beat the crap out of it while it was still alive to make it "taste better" as some cultures are said to do.
     
  14. Good_OL_Boy

    Good_OL_Boy Good Dog

    Lb for lb they're too expensive. If they were wild they'd be like coyotes, anyone here who has ever gutted a coyote knows what I'm talking about, they're nasty foul shit dogs that'll eat anything. There's no way they'd taste good.
     
  15. LilianaLove

    LilianaLove GRCH Dog

    Something something "herbivores" something something "carnivores".

    Something about eating prey animals and the greater likelihood of edible/abundant meat sources vs those of a carnivore.

    Think quantity also. You can't typically own a 'herd' of dogs. I can put 300 cows out to pasture together and just let them exist until slaughter. You can't do that with dogs. Dogs cost more and require more difficult containment per animal compared to 'herd' animals.

    Dogs are different than other food animals not because of their intelligence but because they don't make good food animals. There's a reason we farm chickens and cows and not dogs and cats. There's no reason to work harder for food that has nothing better in it. Think about how much usable meat is on ONE cow compared to that of a dog, then increase that by hundreds.

    Secondly, dogs eat meat to survive, compared to grasses and grains. Think about how much money you would spend on simply feeding dogs to reach the point of economies of scale where you finally have enough dogs that the amount it costs you to feed them is less than the amount that you would make.

    It is impracticable and uneconomical to use dogs as a food source. It is a much better use of resources to use dogs for their original purpose, which was, for a majority of breeds, to assist humans in hunting prey animals to use those prey animals as food sources.

    It has nothing to do with morals, or being vegan, or any of that bullshit. If dogs were an economical choice of food, you'd be eating a Chow Burger tonight and not a Cow Burger. It's really that simple.
     
  16. Mollie's Nana

    Mollie's Nana Krypto Super Dog Staff Member

    This is exactly how I feel. I have no problem buying chicken, fish or beef at Kroger and bringing it home and cooking it. But could I go outside and kill my own chickens and serve them up for dinner? No way!! I had a brother in law once that raised his own chickens and he went on and on about how much better fresh chicken tasted than what I was buying and how if I ever tasted fresh chicken that had just been picked out of the chicken coup, I'd never go back to store bought chicken. My theory was, if that was the only way I could ever get my chicken again, I would just stop eating chicken. I know me well enough that I know I'd be the same way about beef. Maybe not so much about fish because it would be hard to really tame fish and I might not bond as well with them or become as emotionally attached with them. I'm not so sure how I feel about what other cultures eat, but I do know that I would be very selective about what other countries I visited if there was even a hint that they ate something other than fish, chicken or beef. But I guess to each country their own, and as long as they do things humanly, that's their business... but as we all know, I'm sure they don't do things very humanly. What I really think is cool MMSmith, is that your grand parents respected you enough as a child, that they didn't force you to take part in the "chores" of farm life and participate in doing what they did on a daily business. They are to be commended in my opinion for considering your feelings and being compassionate toward you so it wouldn't have an emotional effect on you later in life. Most people wouldn't have taken that into consideration, you were very blessed that you had amazing grand parents that did.
     
  17. Kojac

    Kojac Little Dog

    The factors mentioned (economic viability/predator or prey/ common or borderline extinct etc) are only the preferred considerations chosen in each personal case, to justify a held conviction, whatever it may be, one way or the other... And each perception of the matter, holding a degree of merit.

    That being said. Consider that there is ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENCE to the animal involved (whatever it may be) when it is destined to take place of pride on your plate. As long as people chose to eat animals, we should maybe make things really interesting and consider the matter from their side. Or at least imagine the case from their side...

    Therefore, personally, I don't make any distinction between a cow, horse, cat, dog, snake, rat - they all lived. They all died. They all made a meal to someone. Now, do I agree with eating any animal? Personally, no. But that still does not change the fact the the animals are all slotted into their place by own preference to make doing what we chose to do, ok.
     
  18. ShellysBK

    ShellysBK Little Dog

    I am a city girl that was raised around farmers and hunters..I prefer NOT to think about it.

    I like meat.. no I LOVE meat..but it magically appears on my plate! If it resembles the animal in any way..I cant eat it.

    A friend of mine, loves frog legs.. I will get up and leave the table if she orders them when we are out! You can look at them and see they are frogs still!

    Once when I stopped over at my brothers he had a plate of food..it smelled soooo good! He said, "try this chicken..fixed it in the broiler" OMG sooo good! "Go get some..on the stove in the pot" he says. I dam near ran to the kitchen..lifted the lid..WTFRICK! That wasnt no chicken! that was a rabbit or a squirl or some crap..
    You would have thought he feed me a human! I was SICK..and mad as hell! Even madder when his ass wouldnt stop laughin! His words..Just be glad your at the top of the food chain.

    So to answer the question. Do I think its okay? Not really. But I love me some bacon..typical.
     
  19. Savage Destiny

    Savage Destiny Big Dog

    I would never eat an animal that I had personally bonded with and considered a pet. That would be wrong to me. But an animal I was not personally bonded with? Sure, why not.

    I think any animal is fair game for eating, so long as it's not my pet, or someone else's pet being taken from them to serve me dinner. Yes, that means I'd eat dog, cat, whatever. I've never tried it, but I wouldn't be against it. But I'm differently minded than most of you, it seems like. I plan on having my own farm at some point, with chickens, goats, cows, pigs, rabbits, and whatever else I can dream of. All of my livestock will be humanely treated, well fed, and free range. They'll live great lives up until slaughtering day. Then they'll be food for me and my dogs.
     
  20. Poisoned

    Poisoned GRCH Dog

    Also, I wasn't quite talking about the difference in meat and flavor. :lol: I'm sure dogs don't taste as good as cows.
    I'm talking about the mentality, of why dogs (and horses, who are not carnivores, and dolphins who probably taste lovely) are held so much higher than pigs and deer and such to most of the population.
     

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