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What kinda snake is this?? anyone

Discussion in 'Reptiles & Amphibians' started by Wootness, May 16, 2010.

  1. Wootness

    Wootness Good Dog


    ran into 2 of these things in the lake and one of which chased us outta the water this one did not see me lol
  2. Galadriel

    Galadriel Good Dog

    lol. You're the second person to post Nerodia pics, asking what they are today!
    Water snakes. Totally harmless, but will bite if cornered or you attempt to pick them up.

    Can someone ID this creature? - Reptiles
  3. DarkKnight

    DarkKnight Little Dog

  4. LailaBug

    LailaBug Big Dog

    yea it looks like a copperhead to me. This is one that was in my driveway a couple weeks ago

  5. mstngchic2012

    mstngchic2012 Good Dog

    If that was in my driveway it would no longer exist! Those things are nasty - my niece and my younger cousin come over to play outside and I will not risk them getting bit.
  6. LailaBug

    LailaBug Big Dog

    Yea if I had kids, or kids over at the house, I would have killed it also. But if its just passing through and I know to watch out for it and not let the dogs go in the bushes then I am ok with letting it live. It's a beautiful snake, and actually took off after the picture because it wanted nothing to do with me.
  7. DarkKnight

    DarkKnight Little Dog

    Im the same way, they are just living no different then all of us. If they are on my property I just catch and remove them. I also use a vibrator used to repel gophers.
  8. Galadriel

    Galadriel Good Dog

  9. LailaBug

    LailaBug Big Dog

    Was the one in my driveway also a Nerodia? Because now you have me wondering if I played it up to my boyfriend as something more dangerous than it was lol

    The one in my driveway was about 3 inches in diameter at the wider part of its body. I had a wildlife rescue/removal guy tell me it was a copperhead but I kept questioning that because the head was not as big as I thought it should be.

    This was his head
  10. DarkKnight

    DarkKnight Little Dog

    I took the image and zoomed it in, and Gala is right, its not a copperhead, look at the eyes, the pupils are not vertical. An the shape of the head is wrong for a Copper.

    ---------- Post added at 05:36 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:35 PM ----------

    No, yours is a Copperhead for sure, see the pits and the eyes?
  11. LailaBug

    LailaBug Big Dog

    I know I have a lot to learn about snakes, but I find them very interesting. Thanks for educating me a little bit more :)
  12. Galadriel

    Galadriel Good Dog

    No, sweetie, THAT is a copperhead. Agkistrodon contortrix. There are some similarities to northern water snakes, but there are also some very distinct differences. On your snake, note how the eyes are on the sides of the head, there's a pronounced scale over the eye, and the pupil is vertical. Also the pattern on the A. contortrix looks more like triangles.
    Woot's snake had a rounder head, pupils are round, eyes are more on top of the head and the pattern in distinctly banded.
    That said, one should NEVER attempt to handle a wild snake with their hands, especially if they aren't 100% sure what species it is. I've been field herping for 30 years, a hot keeper for 18, and I don't ever go out armed without a snake hook. They're for looking, not touching ;)
    BEAUTIFUL specimen, by the way! I have a huge soft spot for copperheads. They're mildly hemotoxic, but not generally deadly.

    HA! DK was posting at the same time.
  13. CoolHandJean

    CoolHandJean Krypto Super Dog

    I'd definitely trust what Gala has to say. She knows her stuff. :)
  14. mstngchic2012

    mstngchic2012 Good Dog

    Gala that was interesting! Now is that a typical way to tell a venomous snake from a non-venomous snake?
  15. LailaBug

    LailaBug Big Dog

    Yea I just looked at the pics of your creepy crawlies too, big collection!

    Thanks for all of that useful information. I saw him, grabbed my camera out of my trunk, took a few pics, then went on my way lol. And yea I have alot of people ask me why I let it go and didn't kill it but I just can not kill something that looks so pretty (although they all think I am crazy for calling him gorgeous lol) But since I did not know for sure what he was at first, I did not get too close.

    Now with this Brown Snake that was in my driveway, well I was laying on my stomach about a foot away from him snapping pictures lol but I knew he was harmless... (pictured below)

  16. Galadriel

    Galadriel Good Dog

    The next time someone asks you why you didn't kill him, inform them that the majority of venomous snake bites happen when someone is trying to catch or kill a snake.
    We have cottonmouths turn up in the shop quite a bit and the guys there have always killed them in the past. I'm proud to say that, with a little pleading and a LOT of education from me and Evan, they're now taking them waaaay behind the shop and letting them go :D
    In the US we only have pit vipers and coral snakes. Corals look a lot like colubrids (harmless snakes) but are very hard to come by and are pretty reluctant to bite. They're part of the elapid family which have a very potent neorotoxin. Fortunately, they're very calm, very evasive, and come equipped with tiny fixed fangs. Not much of a threat.
    All of the pit vipers have large, triangular shaped heads, eye ridge scales, and vertical pupils. Heavy bodied, keeled scales (meaning they have a raised line down the middle). Rattlesnakes are easy....most of the time. They won't always rattle to alert you to their presence, and neonates don't have rattles, just a button.
    Agkistrodon....copperheads and cottonmouths....are similar in appearance to rattlesnakes, but without the rattles. There are also numerous harmless species who are commonly mistaken for hots, mostly out of fear and paranoia.
    It's SO important to know who and what you share habitat with. Field guides are invaluable for identification, and I suggest everyone get one for your region. The Audubon Society guides are good for ID, but a lot of their info is crap, as far as ranges go especially. But if you see it and can get a picture of it, you'll probably find it in their reptiles and amphibians guide.
    You can also check online for local herp societies, range maps, species counts, identifications, and loads of other useful information.

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