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What is your opinion on 'culling'?

Discussion in 'Dog Debates' started by RedThunder, Jan 12, 2008.

  1. EDOGZ818

    EDOGZ818 Big Dog

    Hmmm, I didn't know 2 Eyes was Fat Bill's.
    Is this Fat Bill?
    From NC?
    Ch Taz?
     
  2. buddysmom

    buddysmom Good Dog

    Beautiful dogs from what I can see!

    Just doing a little research on genetic blindness in dogs, it sounds like in some cases both parents have to carry the gene to pass it along, though in other cases it is dominant and only one needs it.

    Sounds like the science is not all there yet and they are still trying to figure out how it works in various breeds.

    At any rate I hope for the best for these dogs, and I also hope that as the tests are available they will be done and the results respected accordingly.
     
  3. EDOGZ818

    EDOGZ818 Big Dog

    I would pay good $ to breed to the Blind Dog or his offspring!
     
  4. buddysmom

    buddysmom Good Dog

    And that gets right back to my original distress; would you first gain the genetic tests on "blind dog" and the dog you want to breed it to?

    Or would it just be a crapshoot/who cares kind of deal.
     
  5. EDOGZ818

    EDOGZ818 Big Dog

    It would be the crapshoot / who cares kinda deal.
    I would do my best to re create that blind dog %100 if I could.
    I would buy a litter of his parents next breeding. The whole litter.
    ( >>>>>Probably cull anything with 2 good eyes for the next 5 generations! :D )

    Honestly though , if you could breed / recreate any dog in two eyes pedigree , including him , you are doing alright , by my meager standards.:cool:

    If Fat Bill is here , this forum is about to get real interesting!
     
  6. buddysmom

    buddysmom Good Dog

    OK, that tells the story, sad as it is, 'nuff said.
     
  7. rob32

    rob32 Puppy

    actually if youre into boxing at all you can start to pick out the guys who punch harder than others by their physique. and its not the really muscular men either.

    and i get what youre saying about the dogs too and i understand that point. ive also known breeders that would kill puppies for an under or overshot jaw.
     
  8. mr.clueless

    mr.clueless Good Dog


    any breeder that would cull based on physical conformation must have one hell of a yard !!....the hardest traits to breed for are the easiest traits to lose and no breeder past or present has the most elusive traits so stamped into their breeding program that they can afford to look past it and prioritize a level bite......

    as for boxing....well i think we are in agreement then :confused:
     
  9. Lee D

    Lee D Good Dog

    yes indeed. buckle up and put on your thinking caps folks:D...he overwhelms ya with FACTS, not speculation and second hand info
     
  10. SideKick

    SideKick Little Dog

    While I understand wanting to breed a game dog therefore choosing to over look some defects when breeding a game dog; some defects are very major. I would think you wouldn't want to breed yourself into a corner kinda like some english bulldog breeders have where thier dogs can no longer naturally breed or give birth. So i would expect some very hard culling to go on with those dogs. It's possible, but the breeder would have to be very dedicated, and willing to destroy the whole line if things dont turn out right.
     
  11. EDOGZ818

    EDOGZ818 Big Dog

    @ Lee D:
    Oh yeah. it's about time Fat Bill got here.

    @ Kristi:
    Of course culling plays a hard role in any program, until it gets to the stage where it becomes successful & the need to cull disappears.
     
  12. buddysmom

    buddysmom Good Dog

    If the line is successful enough the dogs will keep being bred; even if there is reason to suspect that both parents of a prospective litter carry the gene for progressive renal atrophy or other such VERY serious threats to the health of future litters it does not matter ONE STINKING BIT.

    Now I see how much the dogs and the breed matter. What matters is money and ego.

    Fact.
     
  13. EDOGZ818

    EDOGZ818 Big Dog

    Money & ego don't apply , as much a quality.

    Infact , you can't get / have either for long without quality.

    Gamedog breeders have chased gameness for decades.
    Show & Go have different formats & that results in some cases where a show breeder would breed a cur & a gamedog breeder will breed a dog that isn't " BREED STRUCTURE ".

    There is no wrong or right for the outsider , only opinions. The breeder makes the call.
    ( Even actually wrong or right doesn't apply. )
    The end justifies the means.

    Did it work? Then it was right!
    If the Blind dog is ROM / POR & produces ROM / GH , consistently & abundantly , he's considered a good dog. Even if the dogs have 2 heads & no eyes.

    Gr CH Sirus was a 1 eye , 3 tooth ( or 1 tooth ) & won his Gr Chapionship against Solo Kennels CH Thunder.

    Go breeders cull hard , probably the hardest , depending on their fervor , just for results not genetics , structure, etc.

    All things being equal , & options available , sure , other factors come into play. If there is a choice.

    If two eyes steps foot on my yard , he would be bred , & probably have his own section of the program. His kids, grandkids, etc.
    ( Bred different ways , & studied )
     
  14. buddysmom

    buddysmom Good Dog

    Right I get it. One may cherish the dogs but only as pieces of equipment that allow one to excel in their chosen sport. It is the same with thoroughbred horse racing. The animals are the means to an end. Like Eight Belles snapping her leg at the Preakness. The breeders know it is a gamble but they go for winners not health.
     
  15. SideKick

    SideKick Little Dog

    To me having a game dog who's nothing but a mess of health problems is wrong. The ultimate goal should be a game dog with a healthy body and mind.

    Just because a dog has proven himself game does that make him worthy of being breed? Even though you know for a fact he has a lot of health problems and comes from a line of dogs known to produce those health problems?

    Would it not be better that this dog simply be retired to a life of comfort?
     
  16. Budboy88

    Budboy88 Good Dog

    there have been many good ones that did just that
     
  17. mr.clueless

    mr.clueless Good Dog

    if you dont like fire get out the kitchen ;).....
     
  18. EDOGZ818

    EDOGZ818 Big Dog

    That's hw some feel , granted, but some also feel the dog is like family.
    Different strokes for different folks.

    Game dog that's a health mess, vs cur that's perfect structure , health , genetics , etc.
    Many will take the gamedog.
     
  19. mr.clueless

    mr.clueless Good Dog

    i for one am pleased to listen to and share some info and understanding with mr fat bill he,s a great edition to any forum or place of learning on this great breed.
    its always great to learn about war from those who have been in the trenches rather than those who read books and despite our past grievances captain im sure we,re long enough in the tooth not to hold a grudge....welcome.;)

    ---------- Post added at 01:06 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:02 PM ----------

    but thats a contradiction in itself......if a dog bred historically for gameness is a cur then its genetics are about as useful as a chocolate fireguard !
     

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