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Discussion in 'Today's APBT' started by XXX, Jul 11, 2009.

  1. XXX

    XXX Good Dog

    LOL... without testing for gameness you will never know if it is there..

    You are describing nothing more than an untested gamebred dog.

    Other than that... a dog that is healthy, strong, athletic, and friendly... get yourself a well bred Lab... that is exactly what you are describing.

    Gameness must be tested for... because gameness is what makes the APBT unique it is what the creators of the breed were striving for... why they bred, culled and matched... to achieve gameness...

    Once you no longer care about gameness you no longer care about the breed....

    Thats it end of story.... and I'll close with my old saying...

    I will gladly welcome the extinction of this breed over watching it become a shell of its former self... I would rather have my grandchildren read about these awesome dogs in my old books than for me to point to every "pit bull" on the street and tell them the story of how the breed got ruined because people didn't like what made it great so they felt the need to bastardize it and make it something that the general public liked.

    No thank you... I'd rather watch them die out.

  2. Lowlife

    Lowlife Big Dog

    You are looking in the wrong place, no you won't find stuff like that looking at BYB ads. BYB are a problem will all agree with that.
  3. buddysmom

    buddysmom Good Dog

    huh again? I am talking about the issues we discuss here on this forum. YOU claimed that busts did not include traditional dogmen (therefore point being what, that their dogs were safe, and said busts not being a threat to the breed??)

    ---------- Post added at 12:06 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:02 AM ----------

    You are right, that is what it always comes down to. And, it will again. So, until next time? :)
  4. XXX

    XXX Good Dog

    It comes down to that because I don't see where you are describing anything other than either a lab... or a untested gamebred APBT.... and without testing for gameness... you don't know which dogs have it so you don;t know which dogs to breed.... and you lose gameness... and then you lose the breed...

    I don't see any other way around that.
  5. Lowlife

    Lowlife Big Dog

    I guess if you consider a bust guilty until proven innocent the you are correct. To me you aren't busted until you are proven guilty.
  6. buddysmom

    buddysmom Good Dog

    I think you could tell the difference between the two ;)

    I know you don't. I just wish you would try. But that's OK! I respect your POV and I REALLY appreciate that you respect mine as well.
  7. Lowlife

    Lowlife Big Dog

    I am entertaining the possibility, please explain to me how this can be done. I am really interested in keeping the true bull dog alive.
  8. buddysmom

    buddysmom Good Dog

    This has been a weird sideline and somewhat irrelevant as well, but no I consider a bust to be the moment when they "bust" down your door. Guilty OR innocent. The damage is already done at that point.
  9. XXX

    XXX Good Dog

    I have tried. And I wish there was another way... but there isn't.

    Gameness is a must have... and there's only one way to test for it... Gameness is the deal breaker.

    And I respect your views.. or at least i really try to...

    So I guess until our next debate... :sonn_u11:

  10. buddysmom

    buddysmom Good Dog

    Cool, NC!

    Really I'm just trying to help keep you awake tonight, ha ha!! ;)
  11. Lowlife

    Lowlife Big Dog

    You are right went off on a tangent. We won't agree on that either. lol
  12. buddysmom

    buddysmom Good Dog

    Well I sense some sarcasm here and can see why; I really did not mean to declare "There are ways..." etc. but rather, that there MUST be ways, if the most knowledgeable people put their heads together and made it a priority.

    You know, "we can put a man on the moon" and all that? :)
  13. Lowlife

    Lowlife Big Dog

    I have seen you say that a few times but you have never gave your thoughts on how it can be done. The thing is people have been trying to preserve the gameness trait for 100 years in some other way, because it has been illegal, and have not come up with any other way.
  14. buddysmom

    buddysmom Good Dog

    Well, I AM known by my husband and others to be a hopeless optimist. :)

    Anyway, if there is another way I would def. not be the one to figure it out ... but I just want those who WOULD be best qualified, to try.
  15. Lowlife

    Lowlife Big Dog

    It would be like trying to find the fastest horse with out racing them. If you can figure out how let me know.
  16. buddysmom

    buddysmom Good Dog

    Well defining the goal would be the first step, I would think? To where, maybe you are not going for (metaphorically) the "fastest horse."
  17. Lowlife

    Lowlife Big Dog

    Then how are you going to improve the breed if you don't find the "fastest horse".
  18. buddysmom

    buddysmom Good Dog

    Well to extend the racehorse metaphor, many superb thoroughbreds have been retired from the track to become world champions in dressage and / or hunter-jumper.
  19. Lowlife

    Lowlife Big Dog

    Yes, and the breeder continued to breed for even better thoroughbreds, and the retired went to "pet" homes and probably wasn't bred or shouldn't have been.
  20. buddysmom

    buddysmom Good Dog

    Well no, the best ones "retired" from the racetrack might have gone on to compete in the Olympics and also may have been bred.

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