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What do you guys think about presa canarios??

Discussion in 'General Dog Discussions' started by JJ jones, Feb 1, 2009.

  1. JJ jones

    JJ jones Puppy

    I've been reading a lot on thsese dogs , but don't know any owners who have experience with these dogs,
     

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  2. daniellelv

    daniellelv Banned

    it will kill you in your sleep. jk. i know they can be HA and come with a lot of aggression period.
     
  3. honeypitty

    honeypitty Good Dog

    all i can tell u is the 2 i have met are nothing but big babies.
     
  4. genevieve

    genevieve Big Dog Premium Member

    Presa WILL challenge their owner.
    Presa ARE dog aggressive.
    Presa ARE human aggressive.
    Presa ARE territorial.
    Presa ARE 100+ pounds.

    A good Presa will be 100% trustworthy with the family but must have strong OB training and household manners. It must be socialized extensively. A good Presa will protect it's house and family, even when you don't want it to.

    Bad Presa are nervy and unpredictable. There are far more bad, poorly bred Presa than good Presa.

    Unless you are prepared to own a 100+ pound human and dog aggressive guardian breed- which means no other dogs, securely fenced (6' stockade) yard, no dog sitter/ no kids that will let the dog out, never going to the dog park, never off leash, extensive obedience training, treating your dog like a dog and not like a child- then you should not own a Presa. Which means almost everyone should NOT own a Presa.

    Genevieve
     
  5. There pretty dogs, But much more on the aggressive side. I wouldn't own one personally to unstable from lack of good breeders.
     
  6. xosirisx

    xosirisx Big Dog

    I did a lot of research on them too, every thing Genevieve said is what I found. I would love to have one, I think they are beautiful dogs but I defiantly wouldn't own one as my first dog and not sure I will ever be prepared for that much training! And you better be prepared for A LOT of training!!!
     
  7. JJ jones

    JJ jones Puppy

    :eek: They sound like really serious dogs.
     
  8. ive personally owned a presa in the past and it was a great dog.yes they are all of the things listed above and are extremly intelligent also.mine was very well trained.he even rang a bell when he wanted to go out.he was very obediant and great with kids.unfortunately i had to give him up because i couldnt trust him alone with my wife.he came in the room once while we were having relations.she was on top and i guess var (my presa) thought she was hurting me.after that he hated her.i think he was always a little jealous of her anyway but after that showed many signs of aggresion towards her.looking back i realize she was much more of a problem and i wish i would of given her up instead.apparantly they are also great judges of character
     
  9. xosirisx

    xosirisx Big Dog


    :rofl:

    Sorry you don't have your dog anymore but that story is hiliarous!
     
  10. TiggerToo

    TiggerToo Little Dog

    You have to train them for life and you have to be assertive and dominant with them. YOu also have to be able to control them, they are large dogs and are guard dogs.
     
  11. Csimone

    Csimone Little Dog

    that black one scares the hell out of me. :eek:
     
  12. SisMorphine

    SisMorphine Little Dog

    My friend had two, and they were the exact opposites of each other. The female was a ball of nerves, if you moved too quick she'd hit the deck, do a quick bark and lunge at you, then run away. She was a BYB. The other, her male rescue, was a fantastic dog, excelled at bitework, but definitely was serious, had to be introduced to new people, and was a challenge in the beginning until he understood the rules of the house. Super cool dog, though. But definitely A LOT of work!!
     
  13. Miakoda

    Miakoda GRCH Dog

    There is a BIG difference in being a guardian breed that is innately wary & distrustful of strangers and being human aggressive. No breed is human agressive.
     
  14. odd.eyed.jack

    odd.eyed.jack Little Dog

    I thought I had read that the Filo Brasileiro is supposed to be human aggressive, so I went and looked it up. I'm still not sure.

    I don't know exactly how to interpret the requirements of this temperament test for the Filo Brasileiro, but it sounds as if the dog is supposed to attack the person with the stick? Its not entirely clear to me. Anyone know?

    From http://www.filabrasilassn.com/breed_standard.shtml
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  15. odd.eyed.jack

    odd.eyed.jack Little Dog

    Wow, RE: Filas, from the CAFIB (Clube de Aprimoramento do Fila Brasileiro) Breed standard with regards to temperament:

    From http://www.fila-brasileiro.org/compare_breed_standards.html
     
  16. Zoe

    Zoe GRCH Dog

    Definitley not my cup of tea. I'll take my dorky, people lovin', DA, wiggle buts any day! lol
     
  17. Renee750il

    Renee750il Puppy

    You guys realize that those CAFIB standards are not originally written in English and the translation is only approximate?

    Filas - properly bred - are NOT, repeat NOT human aggressive. They are defensive. Big difference. No, they aren't supposed to be friendly wiggle butts when they meet new people. They aren't APBTs. They also aren't human aggressive, when properly bred and competently owned. They will refuse to allow anyone who isn't part of their accepted family entry until their owner gives the okay, and they'll still likely be watching. But to categorize a Fila as a human attacking monster is as valid as, well, as banning "pit bulls" because they are "dangerous killers."

    And yah, I've got a Fila - she's the third one I've raised, and I've got an APBT, too. Feisty little bitch who had to learn that her entire head fit in the Fila's mouth.

    Our temperament tests ARE opposite. A Fila IS supposed to fearlessly confront the threat without prompting from the handler, but a temperament test is different than conformation judging. Filas are the only breed not required to allow the judge to physically touch them (something I personally like as it makes it a lot less likely that the AKC will ever start eyeballing our dogs), but if a judge gets "attacked," that judge should never have been in the ring with a Fila as he or she has no understanding of the dogs they are judging. A Fila will warn in conditions like that. A baleful sideways glare, low rumbling growl from the chest, the tail is high and taut. You KNOW when you need to back away. Or you're an idiot.

    Should just anyone have a Fila? Or a Presa (which could be categorized as Fila-lite)? Oh, HELL no, and honestly, they're especially not for most APBT owners. I've met a few who are perfect potential Fila owners, but they're very serious owners and, well, they've just got that *something* special.

    Oh, and you can't control a true Guardian breed through dominance or any kind of harsh discipline. Sooner or later the dog figures out that you are weak and powerless by comparison. And woe unto you if you try to control one through fear. A fearful Guardian breed is as dangerous a situation as you can create. Love and respect are the only effective bonds for your Guardian breed. I've even seen fearful Guardians turn completely around when removed from their tormentors and put in the hands of an owner who understands. Often they turn out to be the most devoted of all.
     
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  18. odd.eyed.jack

    odd.eyed.jack Little Dog

    Thanks for the clarification about the TT Renee; I've only read about them. I've never had a chance to listen to a Fila owner talk about what its like to own the breed. They sound very intense!
     
  19. dannyt

    dannyt Puppy

    i have a presa/ pitbull mix good temperment and not like most of what they say up there i let my dog out with other dogs and its nothing but a ball of energy loves walks n such, he is a outdoor dog and a great gaurdian dog
     
  20. WhitePitBull#1

    WhitePitBull#1 Little Dog

    I could only imagine what guests to PBC forum are thinking reading this thread if they don't know the APBT well and only know it from the media:p
    They must be thinking that filas and presas are the devil's dogs if pit bull owners are wary of them:o
     

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