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What am I doing wrong?/Worried about agression

Discussion in 'Training & Behavior' started by sabopesk, Mar 28, 2011.

  1. sabopesk

    sabopesk Puppy

    I've had my puppy for 2 weeks now. He's about 10 weeks old. This behavior has been happening a little more frequently lately and I'm really worried I'm doing something wrong. This morning we went for a walk, played with a frisbee toy for about 10 minutes after and then it was time to go inside. Once we got inside we did a few basic obedience things that hes been trying to learn. Then he sat on the rug and started playing with his toys. I went over to pet him for being good and he tried to bite me. I tried to walk away but he grabbed onto my pant leg and wouldnt let go. I bent down and he lunged at me and bit my shirt. I tried to hold him and relax him but it just made things worse, he let out a noise that sounded like a dying cat and just kept trying to bit me everywhere he could. In that instance I really didn't know what to do to calm him down. I don't want to "roll" him or pin him down, but is there anything I can do to get him to relax and know that I'm not trying to hurt him?

    When he bites in general we've been trying all the techniques I've read about here. We've yelled "ouch". We leave the room, put him in the kennel for a time out. But when we come back, he looks all relaxed but then gets right back into biting mode.

    I don't mind him biting and learning not to, I can understand that it's going to take a while. But this extra "aggressive" behavior is really scaring me. Not because I'm afraid of him, but I'm afraid I'm doing something to cause him to act this way. 90% of the time he's the best dog in the world but every so often he "spazzes" out as my boyfriend likes to say. I want to make sure we can reassure him in these instances.

    Also we are beginning the NILIF training today.
     
  2. JShumate

    JShumate Little Dog

    He might just have ha if he does I would suggest you to put him down that's not a good type animal to keep around I personally wouldn't put up with it I would euth him if that's the case

    Now with that said you may just have to get on is level and show him your the boss make him be submissive to you your the boss not him if he thinks he can rule the house he will take advantage of it and rule the house and things will do nothing but get worse he needs to be submissive to you your the master
     
  3. Alma

    Alma GRCH Dog

    Replace what hes biting with something he is allowed to bite. Continue with the OUCH and walking away. Eventually he'll get the picture. These guys play really rough and theyre pretty stubborn, just be patient, he'll get it. eventually.
     
  4. crazymikie

    crazymikie Big Dog

    Or maybe he just has a 10 week old puppy that gets overstimulated and needs training. :no2:
     
  5. Alma

    Alma GRCH Dog

    Agreed. I wouldnt think hes HA, sounds more like naughty puppy behavior.
     
  6. sabopesk

    sabopesk Puppy

    I think it's more of the 'thinking he's the boss' than human aggression. I'm just not sure how - in that moment - to deal with it.
     
  7. JShumate

    JShumate Little Dog

    Yea I reread that I didn't mean that in a bad way sorry op I just meant watch out for it not saying that's what it is just saying it could be I mean the way I took your description he is really coming at you right? I mean puppy biting and aggression are different all puppies bite but if the pup is trying to attack you which is what your description sounded like to me that's not good.
     
  8. sabopesk

    sabopesk Puppy

    Thanks. I do try to give him something else as well. That usually works for a minute but I guess I'm just a lot more interesting! I just really want to make sure I'm doing everything right to make this guy a great, well rounded pup!
     
  9. CoolHandJean

    CoolHandJean Krypto Super Dog

    Sounds like a puppy. Just correct him.
     
  10. CelticKarma

    CelticKarma Good Dog

    A good swat on the rear or pinch to the back of the neck never killed a puppy...
     
  11. Lee D

    Lee D Good Dog

    swat on the butt with a firm NO! thats a young pup, whatd ya expect?

    *add...i honestly didnt read the other replies, but if hes really being wild, grab the scruff of the neck firmly and then swat the ass.
    then ignore him for awhile. get your point across

    ---------- Post added at 09:41 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:36 AM ----------

    thats one method ive never been real fond of. feels too much like rewarding a pup for being an asshole :)
     
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  12. Definately sounds like puppy behavior to me. Maybe try getting more energy out before you come in to play as well. I've never been one for "swatting" an animal but I like the idea of gripping him by the nape of the neck like a mother dog would, then maybe placing him in his crate for a time out. Also, when they high pitched "ouch" didn't work when my guys were in the puppy nipping stage, I would spray my hands with Bitter Apple before I played with them. It definately made my hands less appealing. You can spray it on anything, clothes, furniture, shoes etc..
     
  13. JShumate

    JShumate Little Dog

    Op I feel bad for that now, like I was telling you to kill your dog or something that's not exactly what I meant I tell you why I said it though
    About 7 years ago a friend of mine got this mixed dog(some type of bulldog mix) wasnt well bred or anything but he did the same thing as a pup, anytime he was playing with a toy or whatever, if you tried to touch him he would basically attack you, so as said in all the other post my buddy worked with him and got him to settle down and stop doing that, so this lasted for a few months and it came back way worse obviously just a case of a dog being human aggressive he loved certain people but was very aggressive towards others and wound up attacking a man(not severly just a couple of punctures on his arm) but this could have been a bad situation for my buddy or if yours did turn out to be ha this could be a bad situation for you
    Now not saying your pup is ha I don't know I never been around the pup but it was just the way I interpreted you original post sounded like the same thing as that pup like he was attacking not just biting like a puppy
    Hopefully for you it's just puppy biting and you can get it under control
     
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  14. sabopesk

    sabopesk Puppy

    No worries. He doesn't usually show any aggression towards people. In fact he's pretty damn awesome around everyone - other dogs included!

    I don't know if it's because we're struggling for "alpha" status right now, or if he's just stubborn and doesn't want to listen sometimes. But I just want to make sure I am handling the situation properly so it doesn't lead to anything bad.
     
  15. camerina

    camerina Puppy



    :goodposting:
     
  16. Alma

    Alma GRCH Dog

    I was being politically correct. ;) When mine did that mess, we had a Come to Jesus meeting and it never happened again, generally though, most dog owners wont do that so other means need to be employed. Thats where redirection comes in. :D
     
  17. sabopesk

    sabopesk Puppy

    What does "come to jesus" mean? Is it a technique?
     
  18. Alma

    Alma GRCH Dog

    Sorta.. its means different things to different people. To some its a swift ass whooping, to others, such as myself, I rolled her. Neither is recommended outwardly, but some people correct unwanted behaviors with these methods. Neither should be used on an older dog since both can elicit a negative response and someone could get hurt. In my case, she was only 6 months and honestly wasnt even a thought, it was just something I did which ended up working. The key to rolling a young pup is to not release them until they are completely calm and when you take your hand off they still stay down which is complete submission.

    Other dislike these methods and use redirection onto something you want them to bite, such as a toy. Its really a personal preference.
     
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  19. Jazzy

    Jazzy GRCH Dog

    I think also it depends to some extent on the dog's temperment as well.

    Veronica was a bratty puppy with allot of attitude; so I did the "alpha roll" for just that sort of behavior.

    5 minutes...:whistling:

    10 minutes...:whistling:

    15 minutes...:whistling:

    The puppy did not submit. She flopped on the ground like the spawn of Satan.

    OK so I don't believe in physical punishment...I don't even believe in alpha rolls but I had a monent of weakness and desperation.

    When I did let Veronica up...cause I was starting to feel pretty stupid...she ran off to the bedroom and sulked and refused to look at me for the rest of the night..other than giving me those pathetic sideways glances.

    I really don't think a come to jesus moment would work with her. Corrections make her more obstinate and then she shuts down. Not that I've ever used harsh corrections, but I have in the past used a prong collar and leash pops and the occasional swat on the butt. I try really, really hard not to do it anymore because it's entirely counter productive with this particular dog.

    As far as the "give them a toy to re-direct" being policially correct...I look at it this way: The puppy is exhibiting normal puppy behavior. The puppy doesn't know the behavior is wrong. When you give them a correction...sure thay are learning that this behavior is not okay...but you haven't given them an alternative outlet for behavior that is okay...so really...how are they supposed to know? Puppies can't automatically control their impulses. That comes with time and maturity and repetition and re-direction.

    I think when Lee says it "feels like rewarding the dog for bad behavior"...that hints at the motivation behind punishment being sometimes to make us feel better and more in control and less about teaching the dog what it needs to know.

    Just my 2 cents.

    :rant2: Off now. :D
     
  20. brindlexpitt

    brindlexpitt Derpidoo

    i hate posting over and over about this.

    you have a 10 week old puppy. youve had him for TWO WEEKS. they have the memory span of a GOLD FISH. you know what happens when you try 8 different training techniques on a puppy at that age? nothing. the dog gets confused and it wont respond to any of it. stop using 8 million different things, find one, stick with it. not all puppies are instantly smart, its not going to start being an angel in two weeks time.
     

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