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Venting: dog park

Discussion in 'Dog Debates' started by Chevypride, Aug 19, 2015.

  1. Chevypride

    Chevypride Puppy

    Maybe it's a good idea to post this and maybe it's not. But I need to vent. My puppy is 4 months old, he's APBT cross pug/beagle. I get that he's pit, I get that he may develop dog aggression, I get that I'm risking a lot taking him to the dog park, but he's barely 14 pounds and has shown zero signs of DA (It can show up at anytime, I know) anyways, we were at the dog park today, and there was four dogs there (including my own) and everyone was getting along great, we were walking laps with the dogs following us when a pitbull came in (again, I love pits, and this is why this made me so mad) one of the dogs walking with us went over to check out the leashed pit and got attacked, the dog pulled the owner over and got the dog. By this point we realized this wasn't a good idea and started leashing our dogs (mine and my sisters) that's when the other dog went over to the other dog and got attacked, the owner of that dog went over and straight up said that the dog did not belong in a dog park and there reaction "he has a right to be here too" when I explained to them that a dog with any kind of aggression doesn't belong in a dog park they said "yeah. That's why we have him leashed" HE PULLED THEM OVER!. ARE YOU JOKING? This pit was on the larger side, I'm going to guess 50 pounds, the first owner asked the dog owner for information (his dog was hurt) they claimed he was a pit (so no I'm not just assuming) and said they left his rabies tag and documents at home and couldn't get them and they left his city license at home. It just bugged me so much to see such ignorance coming from them, there dog was clearly aggressive, and the comments coming from the other people about how bad and "vicious" pit bulls are and how "no wonder they get banned". Anyways, this is honestly the first negative expierence I've had surrounding pits, everyone finds out that Jax is and they start to ask a million questions that I happily answer explaining that he really isn't a baby killing monster, and not one person has said a negative thing, but hearing those comments as I was carrying my dog out upset me so much (I'll get tougher skin.. Eventually). Moral of the story? I hate ignorant owners.
     
  2. BCdogs

    BCdogs Good Dog Staff Member Super Moderator

    Well, you may hate ignorant owners, but you are one. Willfully ignorant, in fact.

    You KNOW you shouldn't be taking your dog to the dog park, but you do it anyway. What happens if your dog attacks another dog some day and it's YOUR dog reinforcing the negative perception of "pits" and YOU'RE now that owner?

    Or how about if another idiot brings their DA dog to the dog park and lets them off leash, and they attack your 14lb puppy?

    Vent all you want, but you're just part of the problem.
     
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  3. Chevypride

    Chevypride Puppy

    Someone bringing an off leash dog to the dog park and attacking my dog would happen irragardless of his breed, so by the sounds of it you just don't like dog parks at all.
     
  4. BCdogs

    BCdogs Good Dog Staff Member Super Moderator

    Uh yeah, that's kind of the point. Though bringing a fighting breed/mix to one is just adding to the already abundant list of potential issues.
     
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  5. _unoriginal

    _unoriginal Cow Dog Staff Member Super Moderator

    All it takes is 1 time. One time of your puppy to get attacked and trigger his DA to hate all other dogs forever. That's the risk that you're assuming by taking your dog to the dog park.

    How WE feel about dog parks really doesn't matter. It's what happens at dog parks and what a dog park is, that matters.
     
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  6. Lillie May

    Lillie May Good Dog

    There's a sticky thread you should read about dog parks. I've never used them, even before having my bull breed mixes. Too many idiots, exactly like the one you saw, whip worms and other health related dangers are another. I'm not putting any of my dogs in a position of being hurt or killed. Bottom line, even if I thought they were a good idea ( which I don't), as a responsible bull breed mix owner, I wouldn't take them.
     
  7. ShanaRowan

    ShanaRowan FlirtPolin' Premium Member

    If one of my usually-dog-friendly dogs was leashed, then brought into an area with a bunch of strange dogs approaching her, she would probably attack them too. DA is par for the course with bull breeds but at the same time many dogs probably would have reacted similarly. It was pure stupidity on the part of the dog's owner.

    That being said dog parks themselves are just pure stupidity. You don't know the dogs, the people, their capability/competence level, if the dogs are sick or unvaccinated, if there is a dog with worms who took a shit on the ground, and yes, if your dog that looks even vaguely pit bull-ish were to do anything (even defend itself) it would be another nail in the coffin for the breed... especially judging by the fellow owners' reactions to the situation, these are not people you want around your dog.
     
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  8. Tiffseagles

    Tiffseagles GRCH Dog Premium Member

    My understanding is that you assume risk when you enter a dog park. If you or your dog is bitten/attacked in a off leash dog park, there's a good chance you are not entitled to any compensation. You can check with a local lawyer about local laws.

    I don't use dog parks. I don't like them. We see way to many dogs at the office that have picked up infectious disease there (vaccines only address a few infectious conditions).
     
  9. SSalinas

    SSalinas Puppy

    Okay, I know I'm new but..... Her is the problem I have with not taking my dog to the dog park. My DOG is no different then any other dog (I know it, & you know it). Bad dogs are really bad owners and good dogs are products of good owners. By saying that APBT's are not "allowed" is like saying that all dog parks are "WHITES ONLY", and I just can't accept that.
     
  10. Are you referring to dog aggression as being a bad dog?
     
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  11. Worg

    Worg Little Dog

    When you enter a dog park you accept the fact they your dog might be attacked, doesnt matter the breed or size. Most dog parks have "enter at your own risk" posted on the outside.

    The leash itself can cause aggression, many dogs are leash reactive and yes the 'aggressive' dog owner is at fault here, he should have left right after the first incident. BUT, it drives me crazy when people go into dog parks expecting nothing to ever go wrong. Its simply impossible to put a number of unfamiliar dogs together without incident. Even dogs who are typically great with other dogs may eventually meet a dog they dog click with.

    In a perfect world people should be able to bring Pit Bulls into dog parks, the issue is most owner of bull breeds are ignorant to their dogs potential, how to prevent and incident and how to handle an incident should it occur.

    Do you carry a break stick? Do you know how to use one? I have literally never seen a bull breed owner out in public carrying one, and people ask what mine is, they have no clue what it is. It's such an essential tool for power breed owners, especially of this gripping breed, and it's sad to me people are so ignorant of it. This is why you hear of these dogs grabbing onto other animals and not letting go, heck there was a video I saw a few months ago of what I believe was a Pit Bull mix totally latched into a bike tire of a passerby, it lasted forever because the owner didnt know how to get their dog off. The dog totally destroyed the bike tire and a lot of people who saw the video believe this dog was vicious and could have attacked a person. Had the owner carried a break stick and handled their dog right away the video wouldn't have existed to give these dogs a worse image.

    You may think you are a responsible bull breed owner, but really you're not doing much differently than the other dog owner that you're here talking poorly of.

    Tldr: dog parks are enter at your own risk, but also realise you are potentially the risk to other dog owners even if you dont believe it.
     
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  12. Worg

    Worg Little Dog

    So you disagree that these dogs have dog aggression in their genetics and a higher likeliness to attack other dogs? I dont think any of the regulars here will agree with you about that.
     
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  13. When I first got my dog long time ago I used to think like that. But as he got older things changed. Quick.
     
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  14. ETRaven2

    ETRaven2 Big Dog

    Nope. You're new to the breed and their mixes. And you have a puppy. Come back to this thread in 3 years when that pup matures and lmk how dog parks and playdates are working for you.
    Additionally, dog aggression has nothing to do with bad owners. Most of its on the forum have or had dog aggressive dogs. I can tell you with confidence, we are not bad owners and to say this in an insult to us.
    Dog aggression is genetic.
     
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  15. LeighAnn

    LeighAnn Little Dog Premium Member

    I stopped going to dog parks over a year ago when I kept seeing a pattern of uncertainty regardless of breed.. ofcourse, having a Frenchie.. she has the bullish tendency.. hated to share toys, snapped if she got tired, hot.. she is just too moody.. but the thing is.. SHE REALLY IS A GREAT DOG.. loves being around dogs and dog events ( we just ran the mutt strut.. and she didn't snap, bark or growl at any of the dogs who were crammed up in the race line ).. Is Lola dog aggressive? No.. but she quickly snaps when another dog may show dominance towards her.. so I know better now as she is 7 years old.. Dog parks were fun when she was a puppy and maturing but it became a pattern when she hit the three year old mark and I didn't want to be guessing or stressing over when or if it will happen.

    Because she is dog selective.. I like to have 'organized' play days with her fur friends she has consistently hung out with over the years.. so she still gets her social fix without me stressing and guessing on some unknown dog and their owner ( are they or are they responsible ) mind-set.

    I recently brought in a Bully-Mix ( Millie) .. she was mature when she came to live with us already.. so I was unsure how the girls wold react to one another.. It was a dream come true. Millie allows Lola to feel 'dominant' although Millie could totally crush the little girl with her two front paws.. but it works out great. They are BFFs and it makes my life easier. I still won't let my guard down, as siblings do.. there are times when Lola gets fussy and tired and doesn't want to play.. so she snaps at Millie.. but Millie submits and quits .. so I don't know if Millie will always be this sweet disposition around her and other dogs.. but I don't ever want Millie to experience an aggressive dog because once she does, I fear that her demeanor could change.. so it's not worth going to a dog park in my opinion.. They have plenty of socialization in other areas.
     
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  16. BCdogs

    BCdogs Good Dog Staff Member Super Moderator

    Yeah, this.

    Please tell me how my well-socialized, well-trained, dog-aggressive dog is “bad” and how I am somehow responsible for this. I’ll wait.
     
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  17. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Staff Member Super Moderator

    I have a chihuahua and I wouldn't go to a dog park. With that said, I will tell you what I think the problem is. Your dog IS a little different. The breed has a genetic trait. That trait is DOG AGGRESSION. It doesn't matter if another dog starts the problem, your dog will get blamed because of the breed that it is. Why do you want to set your dog up to fail? Do yourself AND your dog a big favor, find another positive outlet for your dog.
    Is this your first pitbull?
     
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  18. SSalinas

    SSalinas Puppy

    I feel like an idiot for even engaging in this conversation... I know I'm not going to change anyone's mind here. But:

    "In a perfect world people should be able to bring Pit Bulls into dog parks, the issue is most owner of bull breeds are ignorant to their dogs potential, how to prevent and incident and how to handle an incident should it occur."

    Agreed!!! Let's educate people and not tell them to keep their dogs locked up like prisoners when they haven't done anything wrong. Let's not discriminate against our own breed... Ever dog needs to be properly socialised. That means going places with your dog and properly supervising them at all times (most people don't). I think that keeping your dog away from othe dogs and people is an even biger recipe for disaster. We must train our dogs to be outstanding citizens. The only way to do that is exposure to everything.... Even dog parks.

    Ever dog has potential.... So does ever human. I'm not gonna shut myself off from the world because I believe that there are a lot of bad people out there... so, why should I do that to my dog?
     
  19. pitbulldogs

    pitbulldogs OHMUHGERD Staff Member Administrator

    Why? Because HSUS and BSL, that is why 8-|
     
  20. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Staff Member Super Moderator

    The world is not perfect. No one is telling you to keep your dog locked up. Stop twisting what is being said here. What is being said is that there is a risk you take when you step foot in a dog park. Is this your first pit bull?
     
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