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Vaccines

Discussion in 'General Dog Discussions' started by pitbulldogs, Nov 20, 2017.

  1. pitbulldogs

    pitbulldogs GR CH ACE Staff Member Administrator Premium Member

  2. Worg

    Worg Little Dog

    For sure, it seems absurd to me that every other vaccs dosage is changed depending on the size of the animal but not the one you HAVE to get. Sadly I feel that most vets will not fight against this because rabies vaccs are a consistent source of money for them.
     
  3. ETRaven2

    ETRaven2 Little Dog

    The problem with this is, there's not enough research on proper dose size to effectively give the proper amount of the vax. (Which is mentioned by the vet) Rx companies just don't want to spend the money on the research.
    I think the only way this would change is a class action law suit against the pharmaceutical companies for any animal that has a reaction to a vaccination.
    Years ago, I thought I'd be all savvy and ask for my guys' titers to be checked but it didn't matter, it's a mandatory rabies vax in my county. So even tho titers showed immunity, out meant nothing.
     
  4. Nat Ursula

    Nat Ursula Good Dog

    I skipped Tonka's rabies vaccine for a few months. The county allowed it. But you are right, even if I paid to have the Titers done they would t acknowledge it. Although the Vet told me for legal purposes it would be wise to get them done. I ended up giving her the rabies vaccine and skipping the parvo/distemper/ vaccine, which is a live vaccine.
     
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  5. ETRaven2

    ETRaven2 Little Dog

    I would love to skip the 5 in 1 vax in the future, but our training club requires annual vaccinations. So, I can't even skip those if I want to train with my dog. It's so frustrating.
     
  6. Nat Ursula

    Nat Ursula Good Dog

    Tonka is not allowed to play with other dogs if she has to go to boarding. I do feel bad about that. Plus I don't like the idea of her being at the Vet or at a boarding facility without it. I can get her titer done for $95. She is just a super expensive dog and I have not gone out and had it done yet. The Vet said they are seeing that the vaccine lasts about seven years with many dogs. She had it done three years ago.in fact, she got very ill about one year after getting all her vaccinations.
     
  7. BCdogs

    BCdogs Good Dog Staff Member Super Moderator

    My thoughts are even if it is an overdose there has never been concrete proof, enough for me at least, that the negative effects outweigh the benefit of vaccinating. So I will continue to vaccinate my dogs the minimum required and recommended amount until I see evidence that I shouldn’t.
     
  8. Nat Ursula

    Nat Ursula Good Dog

    Teddy seems very healthy so he got all his shots. Tonka is immunocompromised and I'm very concerned about doing more harm than good with her.
     
  9. ETRaven2

    ETRaven2 Little Dog

    B had a pretty bad reaction to her lepto. She broke out in hives and was really really lethargic. I called vet and was instructed to give her benadryl. So for me, I see a significant risk there. I'm not opposed to vax, I just wish they were better ways of calculating dosage. Additionally, even now if titers were low I'd revax, I just don't prefer to over vax.
     
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  10. Worg

    Worg Little Dog

    I still get the rabies vaccs for my pets, but I do notice my smaller pets showing side effects such as lethargy and won't eat (not including my current dog in a recent post, I don't believe that was shot related), as apposed to the over 100 lb dogs I have had who were not phased by the vaccination. I had a dog die the day after getting his rabies shot (60 lb dog), the vet said it was 100% not the shot, but he had a physical too and showed no signs of illness. He had zero toy drive and spent most of the time indoors between the vet visit until he died, I don't believe it was a blockage. He was lethargic, vomiting, seizing, foaming at the mouth and bleeding out both ends. We first noticed a little blood out his anus, and it progressed very fast, he died less than an hour later. It was late at night and we lived nowhere close to a 24 hour facility so we were going to take him early in the morning when our vet opened. I'm not saying I KNOW it was the rabies vaccination, but it definitely is a possibility in my mind and it worries me.

    I think we can all agree that more research should be done on this to improve the vaccination for animals of every size and avoid any unnecessary vaccination.
     
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  11. BCdogs

    BCdogs Good Dog Staff Member Super Moderator

    Lepto tends to be the most reactive vaccine, but even then it’s usually just extreme soreness for a day or two causing lethargy. Piggy reacts badly to it, she got a small lump at the injection site that took weeks to go away and was extremely sore. I haven’t given that one again as it’s not a huge risk in my area so it isn’t worth it to me.

    Vaccine allergic reactions, especially severe ones causing anaphylaxis are very rare and will usually manifest within an hour after vaccinating.
     
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  12. Nigayias

    Nigayias Puppy

    Its all about money, power and control....that vid pisses me off when that bitch that works for the gov said she completely disagrees with what he is saying as they think they know more then the actual Vet experts and researchers in there own respected fields that deal with and experience it on a daily basis......Its the same way they are persuading/forcing PEOPLE to get the Flu shot every fucking year and people are still getting the flu which proves its efficacy is bullshit.
     
  13. ETRaven2

    ETRaven2 Little Dog

     
  14. ETRaven2

    ETRaven2 Little Dog

    I know a breeder in MI who lost a dog to a lepto vax. (Different breed) I think reactions are not something to be taken seriously no matter how small. Typically, the first time the reaction is the most mild, as the foreign body is added to the body, the reactions get significantly worse. I mean even look at this thread, 3 members from different parts of the country have all experienced adverse reactions in their dogs. It's more common than ppl think and something should be done.
     
  15. ETRaven2

    ETRaven2 Little Dog

    And, lepto has been bad in our area the last cpl years. I'm hoping they have something in alternative to the live vax they normally give.
     
  16. Worg

    Worg Little Dog

    The dog I spoke of was a 9 year old Lab, had several rabies vaccs before he died.
     
  17. ETRaven2

    ETRaven2 Little Dog

    That's weird. For a lab 9 isn't too terribly old. So do you think it was a combination of the vax and a geriatric immune system? Or just coincidence?
    Again, I am totally not against vax at all. I wish it would be better tailored to the individual dog/breed. And, I wish there was a more foolproof way than checking titers to confirm immunity.
     
  18. Nat Ursula

    Nat Ursula Good Dog

    Oh, I'm so sorry you lost your dog suddenly like that.
     
  19. pitbulldogs

    pitbulldogs GR CH ACE Staff Member Administrator Premium Member

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  20. Worg

    Worg Little Dog

    I would assume a combination.

    I wouldn't say that the government knows they are killing dogs, but there's enough evidence that something is wrong to urge them to do more research, they just dont.
     

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