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Two male pitbulls being aggressive to each other

Hello, I love the breed and got a puppy. I already had two pitbull four and five years old. Bruno is now seven months and Jackson the four year old recently went at it with him. Last fight I got bit breaking it up. We are concerned it’s getting more violent. Jackson goes for Bruno stomach. I feel each fight was in our living room which is all new. I think he’s territorial with it. It’s a tough and stressful in my house trying to manage them. When we walk them or they go bathroom they are totally fine. So I found this site online to get help. We don’t want re-home so we are asking for members to help. Ty guys!!
 

Mister

Little Dog
It’s nothing to worry about just the breeds natural instinct kicking in, they are after all a fighting breed. Glad you don’t want to rehome as difficult as it may seem now, It is entirely manageable and easy to do with dogs that love to fight one another.
If you keep em indoors crate and rotate is your answer. Basically you buy strong crates for each of your dogs and keep them there, and you rotate letting them out for family time, walks etc. Basically you keep them apart from now on or they will go at it again, you can’t train it out of them. Also when you go out without them never ever have any running loose crate em all.
You also need to aquire some breaksticks and learn how to use them, always keeping them close by. These are used to separate two fighting dog quickly and safely, also anything else they may grab or put in their mouth. I’d also advise you always take one with you when you take em in public from now on, just in case some other dog tries it on with em.
 

Sagebrush

Good Dog
Crate and rotate is not always easy for everyone.
But, for anyone planning on getting more than one Pit Bull (or many other breeds as well) and keeping them together, THINK AGAIN.
Visualize "crate and rotate" in your mind and SEE how it's going to affect your dogs, your family, the use of space in your house and yard, the routine you will have to keep (how will this affect you wanting to go somewhere without the dogs). Go through a day in your mind knowing that one or two dogs will always be in a crate.
It's not as easy as it's cracked up to be. If it's something you don't think is for you and the dogs you have, do not get more dogs!
 

Bolushi

Puppy
Hello, I love the breed and got a puppy. I already had two pitbull four and five years old. Bruno is now seven months and Jackson the four year old recently went at it with him. Last fight I got bit breaking it up. We are concerned it’s getting more violent. Jackson goes for Bruno stomach. I feel each fight was in our living room which is all new. I think he’s territorial with it. It’s a tough and stressful in my house trying to manage them. When we walk them or they go bathroom they are totally fine. So I found this site online to get help. We don’t want re-home so we are asking for members to help. Ty guys!!
Oh my god how could it be? Fighting dogs FIGHTING? Oh goodness me this is so ridiculous how could you have ever seen this coming?
They're gonna fight on occasion. You can not stop it. If you get 2 Pits, have a system for 'em if they suddenly dislike each other. You could rehome it, but that's like giving away a Labrador for retrieving. ''But... I'm a retrieving dog, I did everything humans wanted me to, what'd I do wrong?''
If I were you I would be fisting the air in happiness that my dogs are tough enough to fight with each other to begin with.
 
Hello, I love the breed and got a puppy. I already had two pitbull four and five years old. Bruno is now seven months and Jackson the four year old recently went at it with him. Last fight I got bit breaking it up. We are concerned it’s getting more violent. Jackson goes for Bruno stomach. I feel each fight was in our living room which is all new. I think he’s territorial with it. It’s a tough and stressful in my house trying to manage them. When we walk them or they go bathroom they are totally fine. So I found this site online to get help. We don’t want re-home so we are asking for members to help. Ty guys!!
Ok so first off who instigated? Jackson or Bruno?

If they generally get along well, I would say it's probably just rough ¹play or setting boundaries ok? No playing inside that's the last thing you need with 3 pittys is a brawl in your living room. Buy them all spiked or plate collars to wear if they're together and going to fight so noone gets critically injured.
Also same sex play dates so to speak generally have a cycle of chill, play, line crossed, minor scuffle, chill. Males have tendancy to escalate to fighting tho.

My other thoughts are possibly that, someone's jealous and/or guarding you guys which under no circumstances is safe what so ever. Also that he's not learned proper dog adequite. He may over stimulate the older ones and they may honestly be lashing out when he isn't picking up their cues and potentially veiwing him as not in the pack (he's new right) especially if their manners are quite different.


¹"...Lying down defends itself against the bites of its pack mates by kicking its legs, menacing, and snarling. This behavior is mainly seen in trivial conflicts or during play. If it becomes more serious, the animal quickly stands up and starts an active defense."

Excerpt From: "K9 Behavior Basics: A Manual for Proven Success in Operational Service Dog Training" by Resi Gerritsen.
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Michele

Chi Super Dog
Administrator
Ok so first off who instigated? Jackson or Bruno?

If they generally get along well, I would say it's probably just rough ¹play or setting boundaries ok? No playing inside that's the last thing you need with 3 pittys is a brawl in your living room. Buy them all spiked or plate collars to wear if they're together and going to fight so noone gets critically injured.
Also same sex play dates so to speak generally have a cycle of chill, play, line crossed, minor scuffle, chill. Males have tendancy to escalate to fighting tho.

My other thoughts are possibly that, someone's jealous and/or guarding you guys which under no circumstances is safe what so ever. Also that he's not learned proper dog adequite. He may over stimulate the older ones and they may honestly be lashing out when he isn't picking up their cues and potentially veiwing him as not in the pack (he's new right) especially if their manners are quite different.


¹"...Lying down defends itself against the bites of its pack mates by kicking its legs, menacing, and snarling. This behavior is mainly seen in trivial conflicts or during play. If it becomes more serious, the animal quickly stands up and starts an active defense."

Excerpt From: "K9 Behavior Basics: A Manual for Proven Success in Operational Service Dog Training" by Resi Gerritsen.
This material may be protected by copyright.

Spiked or plate collars?? You are dealing with a breed that genetically is dog aggressive. A spiked collar won't fix a genetic trait.

To the OP: please DO NOT get a spiked collar.
 

Brisby&Me

Puppy
Hello, I love the breed and got a puppy. I already had two pitbull four and five years old. Bruno is now seven months and Jackson the four year old recently went at it with him. Last fight I got bit breaking it up. We are concerned it’s getting more violent. Jackson goes for Bruno stomach. I feel each fight was in our living room which is all new. I think he’s territorial with it. It’s a tough and stressful in my house trying to manage them. When we walk them or they go bathroom they are totally fine. So I found this site online to get help. We don’t want re-home so we are asking for members to help. Ty guys!!

I will agree with many of the statements already listed. Crate and rotate will be the best way to damn near guarantee this doesn't happen again. Luckily for you they aren't all 3 going at one another. This is typical of the breed and getting a puppy that is now reaching sexual maturity is likely another key factor. If crate and rotate is not possible for you then they need to be supervised at all times and kept away from each other when you're not in the same room or away from home etc. Investing in break sticks is a MUST. I only have one bull breed mutt but I have several break sticks for when we are out and about. (They have saved many dogs with idiotic owners that don't use leads) Just out of curiosity were the 2 you had originally male and female?
 

Bolushi

Puppy
I don't understand the panic. Crate and rotate is not the most ideal idea unless you have a kennel for the dog. Frankly no measures should be taken unless they feel like going at it again.
If the 2 dogs didn't lock onto each other then there is not a problem.
 

Michele

Chi Super Dog
Administrator
I don't understand the panic. Crate and rotate is not the most ideal idea unless you have a kennel for the dog. Frankly no measures should be taken unless they feel like going at it again.
If the 2 dogs didn't lock onto each other then there is not a problem.
It only takes a second for the dogs to lock onto each other. Then what?
 

Bolushi

Puppy
It's very easy to separate locked dogs and if you don't know how to do that owning any bull breed is not for you.
Breakstick, very, very easy.
 

Michele

Chi Super Dog
Administrator
It's very easy to separate locked dogs and if you don't know how to do that owning any bull breed is not for you.
Breakstick, very, very easy.
For people that know the breed, it's easy. For people that come here looking for advice on what to do, it might not be that easy.
 

Bolushi

Puppy
For people that do research it's easy too...
I am astonished that this thread exists, I thought doing research was basic stuff.
 

Michele

Chi Super Dog
Administrator
For people that do research it's easy too...
I am astonished that this thread exists, I thought doing research was basic stuff.
We have a ton of great information on this site. Yes, researching on your own is good but if someone comes on this site looking for info, we provide it.
 

Vicki

Administrator
Administrator
Oh my god, there's some great advice here about crate and rotate. Use it and disregard that other crap.
You own animals that are inherently breed to be animal aggressive. Never ever trust a dog to not fight.
 

Bolushi

Puppy
Oh my god, there's some great advice here about crate and rotate. Use it and disregard that other crap.
You own animals that are inherently breed to be animal aggressive. Never ever trust a dog to not fight.
Crate and rotate is something you do when 1 dog could kill the other instantly. Like for example keeping a Pitbull and a GSD together, crate and rotate sure.
2 Pits don't need that, just get a breakstick and break up the occasional fight. Use home remedies for damages and don't screw over the winner when you're breaking it up.
 

Michele

Chi Super Dog
Administrator
Crate and rotate is something you do when 1 dog could kill the other instantly. Like for example keeping a Pitbull and a GSD together, crate and rotate sure.
2 Pits don't need that, just get a breakstick and break up the occasional fight. Use home remedies for damages and don't screw over the winner when you're breaking it up.
Crate and rotate is something to do when you have two dog aggressive dogs in one household and you cannot supervise them all the time. Yes, breaksticks are a great tool to have on hand but I would do crate and rotate to avoid having to even use a breakstick.
 

Bolushi

Puppy
Crate and rotate is something to do when you have two dog aggressive dogs in one household and you cannot supervise them all the time. Yes, breaksticks are a great tool to have on hand but I would do crate and rotate to avoid having to even use a breakstick.
Why do they need supervision 24/7?
It's a dog fight, it's not a big deal. Break it up if it happens, go on with life. Instead of this ''crate and rotate'' deal that hinders the other dog's quality of life.
Letting them interact with each other and dealing with the occasional fight (Which they enjoy with the utmost enthusiasm) is absolutely peak quality of life for the dogs. Not shutting the dog in a box for a few hours because they are fighting...
 

Michele

Chi Super Dog
Administrator
Why do they need supervision 24/7?
It's a dog fight, it's not a big deal. Break it up if it happens, go on with life. Instead of this ''crate and rotate'' deal that hinders the other dog's quality of life.
Letting them interact with each other and dealing with the occasional fight (Which they enjoy with the utmost enthusiasm) is absolutely peak quality of life for the dogs. Not shutting the dog in a box for a few hours because they are fighting...
I didnt say they needed supervision 24/7. What I said was when you can't supervise, to crate and rotate. A dog fight with two pitbulls will not end well. Yes, they enjoy a good fight (a normal genetic trait) but why would you want to come home to either a bloodied or dead dog?

There is a responsibility, as a dog owner to NOT set your dog up for failure. Managing dog aggression is one of them.