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Treatment of DA vs. HA...asking others to tolerate risk?

Discussion in 'Dog Debates' started by bbkazier, Oct 25, 2015.

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  1. Didds

    Didds Banned

    No no and no.
     
  2. leavesofjoy

    leavesofjoy Big Dog Premium Member

    That sounds really obnoxious. What if I bite him?

    -MN
     
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  3. NobodyHere

    NobodyHere Guest

    What else would I call it?

    No, you don't. You think you do, because you think you're right, when most of the time your logic (and "facts") are so far out in left field that it's difficult on the best day to tell if you're just here to wind us all up, and you're so willfully ignorant that it's impossible to teach you anything.

    :lol: No, see, that's the hilarious part. I love it when people contradict me and can actually bring a logical argument to the table. I've changed my mind on numerous issues throughout the years. It's called not being willfully ignorant.

    So what? There are many different driveS, and that has what to do with human aggression, particularly as it pertains to this breed?

    I grew up with and ran hog dogs for a long damn time. Not a single one ever redirected on me, and if they had, I'd have put a bullet in the dog on the spot. I don't give a flying quart of hydrogenated wombat snot how well a dog catches once he's there, if he's trying to eat me on the way through and putting my buddy and the other dogs in a more dangerous situation, then the damn dog is completely fucking useless and I'm sure as shit not going to waste another days worth of feed on it.

    Not everything is "just an opinion."

    Deaf, blind, lame, manbiters. A lot of people had a lot of archaic, ignorant beliefs "back in the day." A lot of people cling to those same ignorant beliefs today. That doesn't make them good or even acceptable.

    As I said in another post, this is 2015, not 1915. Breeds always change, somewhat. I don't believe in breeding exclusively FOR the show ring, either, just like I don't believe in breeding whatever to whatever just because they'll perform X task, sound structure, health and/or temperament be damned.

    There are a lot of potatoes to wade through.
     
  4. Didds

    Didds Banned

    Do you really think I would keep a dog that is a threat to me or my family? And you are ignorant when it comes to dogs. You never show proof.
     
  5. Didds

    Didds Banned

    Dogs don't change that is a damn lie. If you are constantly breeding to the same kind of dog how can it change. The only way it can change is when you go to crossing dogs.
     
  6. NobodyHere

    NobodyHere Guest

    What would you like "proof" of, and how would one go about "proving" it? You said yourself that you don't believe in science. :lol:

    It's clear that we can safely add "selective breeding" to the ever-growing list of things that you don't understand about genetics.
     
  7. shotgun_wg

    shotgun_wg Little Dog

    I have a yard full of hog dogs. If any one of them shows aggression toward me it's done. Plain and simple. I do have dogs that are possessive over the hog. Those dogs are pulled out and leashed to a tree until hog is loaded. Otherwise another dog may get bit. Once hog is loaded I can turn all dogs loose and they hunt and get along fine. They only become possessive after the kill and before it ends up in wheeler. This is not a DA issue. This is a possession issue. I can deal with that. I don't like a nervous dog. They are the ones that will grab a dog or person for some stupid reason. Those dogs other than Red don't stay here. Red is a special case. His issues were environmental and he isn't at all aggressive just skittish.


    Shotgun
    Arkansas
     
  8. AdamC

    AdamC Puppy

    Love the hog dog story - we don't find many hog dogs, let alone a yard full of hog dogs here in Southern California.

    Your approach is spot on - dog shows aggression to owner - problem should be nipped in the bud.
     
  9. Didds

    Didds Banned

    You are breeding a dog to the same dogs how can it change.
     
  10. BCdogs

    BCdogs Good Dog Staff Member Super Moderator

    So how were AmStaffs, a new and different breed, created with APBTs if they can't change?
     
  11. MMSmith

    MMSmith Good Dog

    A big factor for me is fear. There is a lot of fear associated with owning a HA dog. When will they bite? Why? Who's next? Will my dog bite me? Those are emotions I don't want to live with, let alone the implications of my dog harming a human.

    I don't fear my DA dog. He's very predictable and controllable, which I don't feel you can say about an HA dog. Even in the most agitated of states, a DA dog's handler or owner should not have any fear of being bitten. That makes the management issue much easier for me. Since I'm not ever afraid of my dog, I can plan and manage him effectively.
     
  12. AdamC

    AdamC Puppy

    If you were writing about a smaller breed, like a chihuahua or shih-tzu for instance, then I would agree with you.

    It doesn't make much sense to say that you are managing a DA pitbull "effectively." You recognize that your dog has an aggression problem, and you are OK with it because you think it's predictable? You sound like a horrible pitbull owner to me.
     
  13. AdamC

    AdamC Puppy

    PS Nobody fears their own dog unless they actually screwed up worse than you, or the dog contracted rabies. Are you new to dogs?
     
  14. NobodyHere

    NobodyHere Guest

    DA in APBTs isn't a "problem." It's a breed trait. Didn't you get the memo? American Pit Bull Terriers are a fighting breed, selectively bred for the purpose of dog on dog combat. What did you think the "pit" in the breed name came from? They weren't bred to pit olives. Do you consider the fact that many sighthounds will kill pet rabbits or cats a "problem" as well? Do you understand the concept of selective breeding?
     
  15. AdamC

    AdamC Puppy

    Yes, many sighthounds will kill rabbits and cats. I once witnessed a whippet catch a fawn in the forest and rip it's throat open as the fawn screamed to it's death.

    Keyword is many - not all. There are existing sighthounds that don't kill the first mammal that runs, or eat their own poop.

    Generally speaking, pitbull dogs are usually more intelligent than sighthounds, yet the statistics don't agree. Problem is owner - not the dog. 99% of pitbulls have bad owners. Sorry but I am a pitbull owner that doesn't trust other putbulls.
     
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  16. NobodyHere

    NobodyHere Guest

    And why do you think that is? On the other end of the spectrum, I'll use my Central Asian Ovcharka as an example again. This is a breed that naturally protects prey animals, rather than chase them down and kill them. Why do you think that is?

    Wait. So you think that something can't be a breed trait unless every single member of the breed, including poorly-bred shelter dogs (or, in your case, a mixed breed that may or may not actually contain any significant amount of APBT blood), possess it? :lol: We should hold a potato race between you and Didds...

    So, say I have a litter of puppies. One is DA by 8 weeks. Another isn't DA (yet). Both are from the same litter, raised in the same household, everything that can possibly BE the same is the same. Are you suggesting that I somehow "did something" to the DA puppy to make it that way? :lol:
     
  17. ETRaven

    ETRaven Little Dog

    Let's remove the word "man" from this hypothetical scenario and insert "child" or "toddler" bc truth be told, they're the ones more likely to make squealing sounds randomly.

    Now what?
     
  18. Savage Destiny

    Savage Destiny Big Dog

    You can't even type out the breed name correctly, so excuse me when I say you sound like an ignorant twat talking about how you're the patron saint of APBT owners. Or are you just one of the people who lumps everything with a square head into the "pitbull" category?
     
  19. Didds

    Didds Banned

    Amstaffs and APBT are the same dogs.
     
  20. Didds

    Didds Banned

    I tell you what. The next time a dog fight breaks out at the dog park let your APBT go since you all have pitbulls that are not da. I guarantee you he or she is gonna fight.
     
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