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Tom Garner Kennels

Discussion in 'Breeder Discussion' started by DirtyJersey, Jan 14, 2010.

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  1. Budboy88

    Budboy88 Good Dog

    its not illegal everywhere
    and theres only one thing it was made to do ;)
  2. DeeDirtyDawg

    DeeDirtyDawg Good Dog

    that's just plain silly.
    a friend of mine has finnish lapphunds. she doesn't own sheep... but it's a herding breed.
    she does agility with them instead, which gives their natural grace a good workout, and keeps their mind sharp.
    so does she have no business owning the lapphunds, because she isn't using them for what they were MADE to do?

    my neighbor has a labrador. he does not hunt. but he plays with the dog lots, and they practice swimming and fetching.
    so does he have no business owning the labrador, because he isn't using him for what he was MADE to do?

    let's be real here for a moment. i live in the USA- where dogmatching IS illegal. maybe you live elsewhere, but that's irrelevant.

    there are MANY MANY breeds out there. practically none are used for their original purpose. that doesn't mean that people shouldn't have them.
    if they like everything else about the animal, and can properly satisfy its need to exercise, work, or do whatever it does, so what?

    (and an APBT doesn't NEED to fight... it likes to fight, it was bred to fight, but there are many other activities that can replace that.)
  3. Budboy88

    Budboy88 Good Dog

    i never said you shouldnt own a breed if your not going to use it for what it was bred for i was just stating the fact that theres only one thing that it was made to do

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    and thats just simply untrue many breeds are still used for there original purpose GSDs, Dobermans, Rottweilers, Coonhounds, Beagles, American Bulldogs, Labrador Retrievers, Golden Retrievers, Pointers etc. i could go on for hours
  4. DeeDirtyDawg

    DeeDirtyDawg Good Dog

    1. collar rub indicates a dog that's chained WAY TOO MUCH. i don't agree with that. don't get me wrong- i chain my own dogs. but at night, they have someplace warm to sleep, and get the chain off their necks, not out in a doghouse still stuck on a chain!

    2. this guy's NOT in some country where it's legal to dogmatch- he's in the USA.
  5. Budboy88

    Budboy88 Good Dog

    he doesnt match his dogs, he might buy dogs who have been matched in other countries and that is 100% legal, trust me with the witch hunt thats out against these guys if he was doing anything at all illegal he would have been busted a long time ago

    and there is a chaining debate in the dog debate section
  6. DeeDirtyDawg

    DeeDirtyDawg Good Dog

    i'm not talking about the BREED being used for what it's for. hell, i still hunt the JRT's on occassion.
    i mean dogs in general work less than they used to. lots of working and hunting breed dogs don't do too much of either.

    and when was the last time you saw a rotty used as a draft dog? sure, in a competition- but not in day to day work.
    that's like someone using a horse to plow their field instead of a john deere. pretty much no one uses horses to plow anymore- at least not in developed countries. but that's not a reason to stop having them around!

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    i'm not in the chaining debate. i just think it's messed up to have one chained so long that his neck looks like THAT!
  7. Budboy88

    Budboy88 Good Dog

    it doesnt necessarily have anything to do with how long hes been chained it has to do with how active he is on a chain
  8. DeeDirtyDawg

    DeeDirtyDawg Good Dog

    the two go hand in hand- if your dog started looking like that, wouldn't you take him off the chain and kennel him?

    i would.
  9. Budboy88

    Budboy88 Good Dog

    no id rather my dogs be able to run around and not be cramped up in a cage

    collar rub doesnt hurt the dog
  10. Mrpedigree

    Mrpedigree Big Dog

    Why not find a better thing to do with it than fighting it??
    Only brainless idiots fight dogs...:no2:
    Much prefer to make the owners fight :biggrin2:
  11. DeeDirtyDawg

    DeeDirtyDawg Good Dog

    hmmmm. gloves on? or gloves off.
    i'd much prefer bare knuckle. maybe someone will lose an ear!!!

    thanks, i like voices of reason.
    it reminds me that not everyone that loves bull breeds is into barbaric bloodsport!

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    i dunno about not hurting. i've got no hair on the back of my legs where my old leather boots rubbed it off... and that was quite painful- i'm sure you've had a rubbing blister before.

    yep, i'd rather my dogs can run around too. that's why my kennels are HUGE. and i'm fairly broke. and i don't sell dogs.
    but i'm sure that someone who sells that many pups at decently high prices can surely afford a few sections of kennel.
  12. gh32

    gh32 Little Dog

    Obviously,the amish don't share your opinion.Also several people I know use horses to work cattle,so lots of horses still work.Same with dogs,lots and lots of people have working dogs from hunting to herding,lots of dogs still earn their feed.I see nothing wrong with Mr. Garner's chaining methods.I think he's a perfectly responsible APBT owner.

    I don't see where the collar rub is a big deal.
  13. DeeDirtyDawg

    DeeDirtyDawg Good Dog

    the amish are also some of the largest puppymillers in the USA!!! do you agree with them doing THAT?

    i didn't say that NO horses and NO dogs are working. i said that not many of them are. which is true. this is not a blanket statement about ALL the dogs and horses- it's making a point that animals are no longer NEEDED as much to work, and are now used by choice, rather than necessity. there was a time when EVERY dog born had a job. now, that is not the case.

    sorry that i'm not crazy about the whole collar rub thing... i guess i'm a weird one because i like to try to keep my dogs comfortable- including not having stuff rubbing on them till their hair falls off.

    but what do i know- i'm not a dogman... i care for my dogs- not just care FOR them- i care ABOUT them- how they feel, etc. they're not a meal ticket for me, they're a hobby- so i don't mind going the extra mile to make sure that they're comfortable and have all their fur!

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    p.s. there are many amish people who use tractors now... not all amish are against things with engines- the general idea with them is living independently from mainstream society- and they don't HAVE to use horses. those who use them CHOOSE to do so.
  14. Hucklebutt

    Hucklebutt Banned Back Yard Breeder

    IMO it comes down to LOVE
    some people LOVE there dogs more than other people-love can make you do crazy things. :D
  15. gh32

    gh32 Little Dog

    I know all about the amish,there is is a fairly large amish community about 50 miles from here.I also know all about puppymills.I'm sorry but they are some decent people selling pups(I know some people that actually like their dogs,but sell them),not every "puppymill" is like what you see on the news.I guess your against cattle farming too?Anyway,it's starting to get off topic.How about you go and care for YOUR dog and let poor old TG do the same with HIS dog.The biggest thing I support is the right to do whatever you want with YOUR property.I may not agree with everything someone does but I support their right to do it.Garner isn't doing anything illegal so people should just let him do his thing.
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  16. DeeDirtyDawg

    DeeDirtyDawg Good Dog

    i AM letting him do his thing. i don't give a care what he does- do you see me messing with him? no. i'm taking part in a conversation on a forum- just like you. i don't agree with what he does. but i didn't say it wasn't his RIGHT as an american not to breed dogs!
    and i don't have television- so i dont' see ANYTHING on the news. i haven't watched tv for almost 13 years. puppymills don't have to be all horror, you know- just raising dogs to sell dogs and for no other reason is a puppymill... although i've never heard of a puppymill that does any health testing either.
    who says i'm against cattle farming? i believe it's ok to raise any animal, just as long as they're raised (and killed, if applicable) humanely.
    i'm not a vegetarian, but i do only eat local eggs and meats- most of which are from my friends and family- i trade veggies in the summer for chickens- which i slaughter and butcher myself, and my cousins produce the beef cattle. i don't eat pork products because i'm terrified of pigs and refuse to slaughter one myself- (well... not myself- i refuse to take part in it)
    the animals i eat are very well kept until they're slaughtered.
    it's not WHAT is being done- it's HOW it's being done.

    first you're picking on what i say about how not as many dogs (and horses) are used for their original work as they used to be (which is obviously true)

    and now you're going off about how puppy mills aren't like people see on the news, and whether i'm against cattle farming....

    i think you're just arguing to argue now.
  17. woody d

    woody d Big Dog

    sounds like an undercover Amish person ^^
  18. DeeDirtyDawg

    DeeDirtyDawg Good Dog

    LOL na... just hate tv and irresponsibly raised livestock.

    i could never be amish- i like my car and cell phone too much!
  19. gh32

    gh32 Little Dog

    I think so Woody,LOL:D

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    Nope,not arguing just for the fun of it,LOL.Some puppymills are bad,some aren't.Nothing is 100% one way or the other,you brought them up,I didn't.The reason I mentioned cattle farming was because in my mind an animal is an animal,be it a dog or cow or chicken.If it's ok to use some animals as livestock,why not others,just because they are usually pets.Where is that line drawn?That was my point.I was just wondering if you were against everything or just some things.As far as health testing,I believe if an animal,whatever breed it is has a function then health testing isn't really important since if it performs,then it is obviously healthy enough to do the job.If it can't then cull it out of the gene pool.Sounds cruel but in the end it's better for the future animals.I just thought you got a little uptight on a simple collar rub.I'm sure TG takes good care of his dogs.Anyway,you think what you want and I'll think what I want to.
  20. DeeDirtyDawg

    DeeDirtyDawg Good Dog

    I don't have a problem with culling defective stock, but your argument against health testing makes me think you don't value dogs as a friend.
    I wouldn't invite a cow to live in my home.
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