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Tom Garner Kennels

Discussion in 'Breeder Discussion' started by DirtyJersey, Jan 14, 2010.

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  1. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    This tells me it's not about the BREED at all. It's not about sending the breed forward into the future with an accurate history at all is it?

    It's all about so one person gets HIS and no one else. (and I don't know about any one person per se; but it seems to be the game dog "mantra" to not trust peds, to not look at THEM, but to ONLY look at the dog -- the stories of inaccurate peds and "the real breeding" stories are everywhere). There is no interest in improving a breed at all is there? No accurate records for others to work with in the future...

    Other breeders of performance animals would never think of manipulating pedigrees in this way. The pedigrees are honored and used extensively to help determine what works and what doesn't.

    This just all tells ME it's more about the PERSON winning with whatever --and the hell with the breed and OTHERS improving on it.

  2. Budboy88

    Budboy88 Good Dog

    yea god forbid his dogs be titled and bred FOR WHAT THE BREED WAS MADE FOR!!! :no2: that would be as terrible as breeding labs because they are good hunters or American Bulldogs because they are good catch dogs if you want a dog that has good conformation get an Am Staff if you want a working dog get a dog bred to work

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    bullshit breeders of all kinds of animals hang papers its just not as openly discussed as it is with APBTs
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  3. DeeDirtyDawg

    DeeDirtyDawg Good Dog

    right- notwithstanding the fact that dogmatching is illegal...
    so conformation doesn't matter at all then, right? just as long as the dog wins? cuz i'm seeing a few dogs with some pretty crappy lines.

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    wow. awesome. there you go. that's what i was trying to get at with the whole pedigree thing...
    thanks carla.
  4. Budboy88

    Budboy88 Good Dog

    most or all of TGs tested dogs were done so in other countries where its legal and no when your breeding WORKING dogs how pretty it is shouldnt matter and what dogs on his yard have "crappy lines"?

    oh and btw many titled conformation and weight pull dogs have come off his yard
  5. mr.clueless

    mr.clueless Good Dog

    what needs remembering is a man who sells dogs all year round for monetary gain ( a buiseness ) will have a totally different outlook to a man who breeds for himself and/or friends for no monetary gain....

    breeding for supply and demand will always have a different meaning to breeding for improvement....

    i dont doubt his dogs are just fine but theres no disputing the fact that most lies are told for a reason and a salesman will always have reason to lie as its his living......

    personally i would never buy a dog from such a person as if he can lie about 1 thing he can lie about many others and to me the truth of a mans character can often reflect in his dogs and his pedigrees......so if its dogs im buying truth is important

    if the man has a great producer and he sells you a pup from this great producer but it is actually a gr son....he is skipping a whole generation and the nature of genetics dictates that the missing dog was possibly a poor individual......you then go breed your dog who is the son of a poor individual instead of a great producer....thats not the kind of risk id be happy taking......who wants to pay top dollar for a dog bred from lies....but again,we all walk the path we choose with our own understanding and its up to the individual.
  6. Hucklebutt

    Hucklebutt Banned Back Yard Breeder

    oh yeaa the hanging papers happens with all breeds!! if someone has a perfect bull terrier with no papers people will hang papers to paper a litter! its easy if they have a perfect white stud not papered all they have to do is ask there buddy-if he says no you can buy a white dog keep the papers and sell the dog! than wham you have papers, its not the true dogs papers-but it wont matter if they think that the white stud really deserves the breeding.
  7. XXX

    XXX Good Dog

    That is nothing but simple collar rub.. it isn't scarring and it isn't mange... TG's yard is immaculate.

    I've seen plenty of dogs from his yard out in the show rings.... but again why does it matter if he titles his dogs in conformation?

    You do know form is suppose to FOLLOW function... not the other way around. So if his dogs are getting [ ] titles in countries where the sport is still legal then why does it matter their conformation? They are obviously doing what they were bred to do...

    But if you go to shows and ask around there are plenty of dogs off his stuff doing quite well in the show ring.... I know NC is eat up with the Frisco blood seems like everyone has it down my way.

    And lastly... why worry so much about what someone else is doing in his backyard?? If you aren't interested in getting a pup from him then don't.

    Personally I've met Tom on many occasions and he's always been very friendly to me.... now I probably wouldn't get a dog from him because his prices are too high and I know some other Dogmen that I have access to their stock

    here's a pic of Tom Garner, Myself, and Ed Faron and my dog Slick Ric the day I got him. [​IMG]

  8. Laced Wit Game

    Laced Wit Game Good Dog

    i was about to ask you if that was ed keepin it "gangsta" with the ben davis shirt lol!,
    and honestly im not interested in what the man is doing at all, it was just curiosity about why ive heard growing up that he's done great things in the game, but when i get introduced to this online shit, all i hear is he is nothing more than a peddler. ive heard folks from boht of the sites make remarks like "oh he pumps out so & so many litters a year" or "so & so isnt a peddler you may as call TG one then too" but then ive heard folks say great things about the dogs hes pumpin out also. so i was just trying to get your opinions on what the scoop is with him.

    i myself wouldnt mind payin for a pup without the frisco blood if they were much cheaper!

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    did you get slick from ed or tom?
  9. woody d

    woody d Big Dog

    i really dont give two sh*ts about all the drama, if the price was right, id give a dog off his yard a shot. it would be foolish not to.
  10. Laced Wit Game

    Laced Wit Game Good Dog

    thats how i feel, peddler or not!
  11. woody d

    woody d Big Dog

    theres a difference between peddlin off junk dogs and peddlin of good stuff lol
  12. Pirateslife4me

    Pirateslife4me Little Dog

    I would get a dog from TG. I have no problem with his dogs. He is producing some awesome dogs.
  13. DeeDirtyDawg

    DeeDirtyDawg Good Dog

    I don't have anything personal against the guy. He does have some nice dogs. I still think form and function should go hand in hand- but then again, I don't breed dogs for game. I won't buy from folks who do either. I've got just 3 abpts left but not planning to have any more- less I rescue them. Rather just stick with my breed, they do just fine for what I need. I don't need game, just my big guys to keep an eye on my yard for me and ride in the trucks.
  14. Boze fan

    Boze fan Puppy

    I don't understand why you don't see more off molly bee's sire "big ben" he was a great dog, owned by a first class dogman many never heard of, he's been out for age's so too late now.

    This whole T.G. issue is sooooo played out, it seems like petbull folks try to mix in with the game dog folks and there lies the problem. If you have a problem with the way tom does business THEN DON'T DEAL WITH HIM, no reason to debate the subject for ten years, i don't have his stuff and don't care to, but as with many line's you get some good one's.

    Everyone acts like he's terrible for breeding his dogs for money, when i'm sure more than half the folks on here have bred and sold thier dogs on top of that they are not even tested, curs bred to curs, in my opinion that's worse than hanging papers!!! at least with a game dog that was hung you still have a game dog, a cur is a cur no matter how fancy the papers.
    don't know where i'm going with this, maybe i should just stay off here cause it seems I am talking to ignorrant fools......for the most part.
  15. gh32

    gh32 Little Dog

    Dee,I doubt you're ever lucky enough to feed a dog like that in your lifetime.What you see in the pic is just collar rub.In countries where it's legal it's really the only title that amounts to anything isn't it.

    I agree Woody.

    Form and function to go hand in hand,obviously the dogs are doing ok.Is there any particular reason you won't buy a gamebred dog,breeding for any other reason is really destroying the breed..It's real simple,if you don't want a pup from TG,don't get one.He's got a couple I think would be nice pups but I just don't have the spare cash
  16. woody d

    woody d Big Dog

  17. mr.clueless

    mr.clueless Good Dog

    for me it all comes down to what somebody wants from a dog....ive never understood why pet folk get so wrapped up in peds anyway its not like its going to make a better pet if it has a true bred pedigree !

    but for somebody who works dogs and/or is possibly wanting to breed from the dog it is absolutely vital the paperwork is right.

    theres peddlars all over,we had plenty over here...personally i just wouldnt care to buy a dog from a man who has no reason to breed apart from to pay his bills regardless how good his dogs are and im sure many are good dogs as its a strong line and the nature of genetics will always throw up a fair % of good ones.

    that said i havent bought a dog in near 20 years so i guess its not for me to say :D
  18. DeeDirtyDawg

    DeeDirtyDawg Good Dog

    LOL- yeah there's a reason i don't want a gamebred dog- because i have no use for one. i don't agree with dogmatching. so, although i love everything else about the breed, i don't need that particular trait.
    heck, a staffy would fill the bill for me, because the qualities i need are available in both breeds- intelligence, strength, stamina, perseverance... all the OTHER qualities that make these dogs great.

    i know a lot of people look at APBT's and just see game- but they're way more than that.
  19. mr.clueless

    mr.clueless Good Dog

    sorry to but in....and i,ll but out again straight after....;)

    but based on the above statement,would it not make more sense for you to own a good representative of a staffie......than a bad representative of an apbt ?
  20. DeeDirtyDawg

    DeeDirtyDawg Good Dog

    yes, except that i don't buy my dogs- they're given to me by rescues and ACO friends that i work with... so i don't get to pick what i get.
    heck, some of them might be staffies- it's anyone's guess.

    when i do FINALLY get to actually go out and buy the dog i want from the breeder i want, yes- it will be a staffie.
    (although i gotta say, most of the staffie's i know personally are couch potatoes- so i'll need to find a good, active line!!!)

    neither APBT nor staffy are my first choice anyway. i like my homegrown curs the best- but the downside is that i can't show them or anything- all i can do is train, train, train. titling them is impossible, because they'd have to be altered... and that's not an option at this time.

    my issue isn't so much with gamebred dogs- but with the game itself.... i don't see a reason to game test stock when the game's illegal anyway, and there's so much else the dog can do.
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