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This is outrageous....

Discussion in 'Controversial Topic Discussion' started by LilianaLove, Mar 30, 2010.

  1. jobanmarwah

    jobanmarwah Puppy

  2. jobanmarwah

    jobanmarwah Puppy

  3. LilianaLove

    LilianaLove GRCH Dog

    Here is an update for those interested:

    Tapes Released In Military Funeral Protest Case


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    Marine Lance Cpl. Matthew Snyder died at age 20 in Iraq in March 2006. His father, Albert Snyder, says his son's funeral was disrupted by protesters and is taking his case to the Supreme Court on Wednesday.

    For the first time ever in the history of the US Supreme Court, recordings of oral arguments were released to the public at the end of the week. It started just this week and it includes Wednesday's highly charged case between the father of a fallen Maryland Marine and the Westboro Baptist Church.

    Mary Bubala reports Al Snyder's attorney began his opening remarks to the US Supreme Court but within seconds, the justices began peppering him with questions.

    "Are we just talking about a funeral?" said Justice Scalia.

    Justice Ginsburg asked about laws in the state of Maryland.

    "Maryland passed a statute putting time, place and manner restrictions. I read that statute and it seems to me that there was nothing unlawful," she said.

    "The Maryland legislature made it clear that tehy didn't want people to protest funerals in general," said Sean Summers, Snyder's attorney.

    Justice Stephen Breyer struggled out loud with whether we need boundaries on hateful or outrageous speech.

    "I think the First Amendment might night leave this alone, but if it's not going to leave this alone, there's where we need a rule," he said.

    And Justice Alito gave a scenario about a grandmother whose grandson was killed by an IED in Iraq. She was approached by an anti-war protester.

    "Someone approaches and speaks to her in the most vile terms about her son. `He was killed by an IED; do you know what IEDs do? Let me describe it for you and I am so happy that this happened.' Now, is that protected by the First Amendment? There is no false statement and it's purely speech," he said.

    "It may give rise to some fighting words claim," said Margie Phelps, attorney for the Westboro Baptist Church.

    "It's an elderly person. She's really probably not in a position to punch this person in the nose," Alito said.

    "And she's a Quaker, too," Scalia added.

    But Chief Justice Roberts reigned in the justices and asked his own questions, including this one for the Westboro Baptist Church.

    "Mr. Snyder was selected not because of who he was but because it was a way to get maximum publicity for your client's particular message," Roberts said.

    "That is not accurate, Mr. Chief Justice, with due respect," Phelps said.

    All of the justices asked questions except for Clarence Thomas.

    The hearing lasted for one hour.

    A decision in the case is not expected until spring.

    To read the transcript, Supreme Court of the United States

    Tapes Released In Military Funeral Protest Case - wjz.com
  4. O my just aweful...."thank god for dead solders" i have no words for that just aweful!!!!!and "god hates your tears" eeerrrrrrraaaarrrrrrrggggggggghhhhhh!!!!!!
  5. Mollie's Nana

    Mollie's Nana Krypto Super Dog Staff Member Super Moderator

    My thoughts are always.... if you don't love America, and support the troops that defend it... LEAVE!!!

    My nephew is a Special Ops in the Air Force, and has been to Iraq 6 times since the war started. Everytime he goes, we hold our breath and don't speak of our greatest fear. I will defend him, and the soldiers that have his back and are by his side, until I draw my last breath.

    Those idiots holding signs need to be loaded up on a bus and shipped to a 3rd world country where they don't have the FREEDOM to hold up those signs without permission. :no2:
  6. Prophecy

    Prophecy Good Dog

    This post says it all..........
  7. adjecyca

    adjecyca Good Dog

    I don't agree with it morally, but a large part of me believes they have the right to do it, and no matter how disgusting it may be, i don't believe the 'right' to protest at a funeral should be taken away.

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    I agree.
  8. buddysmom

    buddysmom Good Dog

    No, no no.

    What's next, monsters marching up and down the halls of Children's hospitals yelling "Thank God for leukemia" ?!

    Hell no.

    We get to draw some lines, and we should.
  9. hogar

    hogar Good Dog

    These Soldiers joined the Military to protect our freedoms and the decision to go to War was made by our elected officials. That is who you need to protest not the Soldier that was willing to give everything for you
  10. adjecyca

    adjecyca Good Dog

    I disagree i don't believe we should 'draw more lines' on our right to freedom of speech/protest on public property.

    We deserve the right to speak our minds when we disagree with something or dislike something, and i don't believe there should be any more restrictions on our freedoms, whether or not it's disrespectful or hurts someones feelings is irrelevant.
  11. chloesredboy2

    chloesredboy2 Good Dog

    Fred Phelps and all his followers are a plague on humanity.They do this kind of crap constantly.It's obvious Phelps has an unnatural obsession with homosexuality,probably stemming from some unresolved issues of his own...
  12. Zoe

    Zoe GRCH Dog

    WTF....''GOD HATES YOUR TEARS'' I don't even BELIEVE in ''god'' and THAT offends me. If there WAS a ''god'', where do these people get off speaking for him/her/it. Unfreakinbelievable. :no2: Pieces of crap....
  13. chloesredboy2

    chloesredboy2 Good Dog

    They are so absurd,you wouldn't believe it.Unfortunately I am in the same state as these scum so we tend to hear about all their bullshit escapades.Their belief is that everything bad that happens to Americans(i.e.,war ,soldiers dying,etc.) Is as a result of the moral decay of America,and our Tolerance and condonation of sin.The main "sin" they focus on is Homosexuality.They love to fuck with any sort of organization or activists that help A.I.D.S patients too.:no2:
  14. Poisoned

    Poisoned GRCH Dog

    I appreciate their right to say and do what they do. Even if I think they are idiots, complete idiots.. IF they don't support America or our troops they don't need to live here and leech off of our land anymore.

    It's utter bullshit, and these people are the nuts who make people veer away from their religion.. I'm not Christian, but I do attend a very respectable (And large) Southern Baptist Church, and they would shake their heads in wonder at these morons or remove them..
  15. LilianaLove

    LilianaLove GRCH Dog

    Supreme Court Rules For Military Funeral Protesters


    WASHINGTON (WJZ/AP) — In 2006, members of the Westboro Baptist Church picketed the funeral of Lance Corporal Matthew Snyder in Westminster, Md. Snyder’s father sued the church and won, but the church appealed and now the Supreme Court has ruled in the case.

    Derek Valcourt has details of Wednesday’s decision.

    The Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that the First Amendment protects fundamentalist church members who mount anti-gay protests outside military funerals, despite the pain they cause grieving families.

    The court voted 8-1 in favor of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan. The decision upheld an appeals court ruling that threw out a $5 million judgment to Snyder’s father who sued church members after they picketed his son’s funeral.

    “My first thought was eight justices don’t have the common sense God gave a goat,” said Albert Snyder, who says there’s now no barrier for the church and its protesting.
    “There’s nothing stopping Westboro from going to your daughter’s wedding.”

    Chief Justice John Roberts wrote the opinion for the court. Justice Samuel Alito dissented.

    Roberts said the First Amendment shields the funeral protesters, noting that they obeyed police directions and were 1,000 feet from the church.“Speech is powerful. It can stir people to action, move them to tears of both joy and sorrow, and — as it did here — inflict great pain. On the facts before us, we cannot react to that pain by punishing the speaker,” Roberts said. “As a nation we have chosen a different course — to protect even hurtful speech on public issues to ensure that we do not stifle public debate.”

    Alito strongly disagreed. “Our profound national commitment to free and open debate is not a license for the vicious verbal assault that occurred in this case,” he said.
    Matthew Snyder died in Iraq in 2006 and his body was returned to the United States for burial. Members of the Westboro Baptist Church, who have picketed military funerals for several years, decided to protest outside the Westminster, Md., church where his funeral was to be held.

    The Rev. Fred Phelps and his family members who make up most of the Westboro
    Baptist Church have picketed many military funerals in their quest to draw attention to their view that U.S. deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq are God’s punishment for the nation’s tolerance of homosexuality.

    They showed up with their usual signs, including “Thank God for dead soldiers,” ”You’re Going to Hell,” ”God Hates the USA/Thank God for 9/11,” and one that combined the U.S. Marine Corps motto, Semper Fi, with a slur against gay men.

    The church members drew counter-demonstrators, as well as media coverage and a heavy police presence to maintain order. The result was a spectacle that led to altering the route of the funeral procession.

    Several weeks later, Albert Snyder was surfing the Internet for tributes to his son from other soldiers and strangers when he came upon a poem on the church’s website that attacked Matthew’s parents for the way they brought up their son.

    Soon after, Snyder filed a lawsuit accusing the Phelpses of intentionally inflicting emotional distress. He won $11 million at trial, later reduced by a judge to $5 million.

    “They don’t have a right to terrorize families and single families out, and that’s what they do,” said Al Snyder.

    The federal appeals court in Richmond, Va., threw out the verdict and said the Constitution shielded the church members from liability.

    Forty-eight states, 42 U.S. senators and veterans groups sided with Snyder, asking the court to shield funerals from the Phelps family’s “psychological terrorism.”

    While distancing themselves from the church’s message, media organizations, including
    The Associated Press, urged the court to side with the Phelps family because of concerns that a victory for Snyder could erode speech rights.

    “It is everybody’s First Amendment right to go to a public spot and speak on public issues,” said Margie Phelps, Westboro member/attorney. “Who in the world is not talking about these dying soldiers?”

    Roberts described the court’s holding as narrow, and in a separate opinion, Justice Stephen Breyer suggested in other circumstances, governments would not be “powerless to provide private individuals with necessary protection.”

    But in this case, Breyer said, it would be wrong to “punish Westboro for seeking to communicate its views on matters of public concern.”

    Shortly after the verdict, Margie Phelps reacted to the decision in a news conference.
    “Our reaction is ‘Thank God and praise his name.’ Our secondary reaction is nothing has changed except this. This case put a megaphone to the mouth of this little church. We are international,” Phelps said.

    Maryland has since passed a law prohibiting picketing at funerals. Had that law been passed sooner, perhaps the case may have turned out differently.

    Supreme Court Rules For Military Funeral Protesters CBS Baltimore
  16. CallSignOWL

    CallSignOWL Good Dog

    the freedom riders showed up in our town after rumors that the Westboros were going to show up for the funeral of a local soldier (I went to school with his younger brother, its that small of a town). I tell ya, seeing nearly 300 bikers covered in American flags rumbling down the highway was an awesome sight to see.

    someone on facebook got a hold of the Westboro's address and was trying to convince people to post images of gay porn all around the church... :/

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