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This is outrageous....

Discussion in 'Controversial Topic Discussion' started by LilianaLove, Mar 30, 2010.

  1. LilianaLove

    LilianaLove GRCH Dog

    I don't care what your views on religion/gays/etc. is, but how can you DISRESPECT those that fight for your damn right to SPEAK your mind in the first place!?
    And to all those military personnel and families reading this, thank you, and to those Marines out there, Semper Fi.

    Marine's Father Ordered To Pay Church's Court Costs - Baltimore News Story - WBAL Baltimore

    Marine's Father Ordered To Pay Church's Court Costs

    Dad Says He's Appauled By Decision

    POSTED: 3:48 pm EDT March 29, 2010
    UPDATED: 5:37 pm EDT March 30, 2010

    BALTIMORE -- The father of a Marine who died in Iraq and whose funeral was picketed by anti-gay protesters said a court has ordered him to pay the protesters' appeal costs.
    The Westboro Baptist Church conducted protests at Marine Lance Cpl. Matthew Snyder's funeral in 2006 in Westminster.
    The Marine's father, Albert Snyder, of York, Pa., filed a lawsuit against the group and won, but on Friday, the Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit ordered that Snyder pay costs associated with Westboro leader Fred Phelps' appeal.
    Snyder now must pay the group $16,500 in legal fees. He said he's already spent more than $50,000 on the lawsuit.
    The two-page decision shed no light on the court's reason for the ruling.
    "It was a bit of a shock. We didn't think they would make that ruling until after the Supreme Court heard it, considering it is being taken there. It was pretty shocking," Snyder told 11 News.
    The $16,500 is just a fraction of the total bill he may have to pay.
    "They went back to the federal courts and requested nearly $90,000 that I pay for their legal fees. We haven't heard back from them yet. We're hoping we don't hear anything until after the Supreme Court hears the case," Snyder said.
    The high court agreed earlier this month to consider whether the protesters' message is protected by the First Amendment or limited by the competing privacy and religious rights of the mourners.
    Aside from the money, Snyder said he's offended by the principle.
    "I think it's a slap in the face. It's like, 'Sorry Mr. Snyder, you buried your son for us, but we're going to reverse the decision and we're going to make you give them money so they can do this to more soldiers.' I think it's an insult to every soldier, Marine and veteran out there that has served this country," he said.
    Snyder said he filed the lawsuit to stop the church and said the thought of giving it any money at all is stomach-turning.

    Supreme Court To Rule In Funeral Protest Case - Baltimore News Story - WBAL Baltimore


    The Supreme Court is entering an emotionally charged dispute between the grieving father of a Marine who died in Iraq and the anti-gay protesters who picket military funerals with inflammatory messages like "Thank God for dead soldiers." ...
    The justices will hear an appeal from a Marine's father to reinstate a $5 million verdict against the protesters after they picketed outside his son's funeral in Maryland four years ago. ...
    Other signs carried by church members read, "America is Doomed," "God Hates the USA/Thank God for 9/11," "Priests Rape Boys" and "Thank God for IEDs," a reference to the roadside bombs that have killed many U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. ...
    Snyder's father, Albert, sued Phelps, his daughters and the church and won more a verdict of more than $11 million for emotional distress and invasion of privacy. The judge reduced the amount to $5 million, but a federal appeals court threw out the verdict altogether.
    The 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said the signs contained "imaginative and hyperbolic rhetoric" protected by the First Amendment.
    Shirley Phelps-Roper, a defendant in the lawsuit and one of Phelps' daughters, said she is pleased the case is going to the Supreme Court.
    "We get to preach to the conscience of doomed America," she said in an interview Monday. "I am so excited that I can't I tell you how good it is."
    University of Maryland law professor Andrew Levy said it's not clear what the high court will do now.
    "It may be that the outrageous nature of the conduct and what is being said actually works to the speakers' benefit, because the more over the top it is, the more the court may hold that no one would take this seriously -- no one would really believe these are accurate statements of fact, so there's no case for defamation," he said.
    Levy said it doesn't really matter who the group targets.
    "In terms of the First Amendment values, terrible speech is as entitled to protection as speech we all approve of. In fact, many would say that's why we need the First Amendment -- to protect speech that people don't approve of," he said.
  2. 4PawsK9Svcs

    4PawsK9Svcs Good Dog

    Everyone has their right to freedom of speech, but protesting at a FUNERAL is just plain wrong. I don't care if the guy was a baby serial killer, you do NOT disrespect a greiving family, especially a parent burying their child! They have enough problems to work through...
  3. Coiler

    Coiler Little Dog

    I agree completely. I am all for freedom of speech but this is just appalling, they crossed a line.
  4. youknow2

    youknow2 Big Dog

    WTF is goiing on
  5. MsAcer

    MsAcer Good Dog

    There was a group of Harley people who would go to the funerals and stand with their bikes between the protesters/idiots and mourners(with the mourners permission). They would just stand and keep the idiots back, but I would love to see some bikers dudes whoop some idiot ass :) Man! how fun of a youtube would THAT be!!!
  6. Miss_Lexi

    Miss_Lexi Big Dog

    you are totally right... that is just insanely disrespectful and horrendous
  7. Nekonikoff

    Nekonikoff Little Dog

    The Westboro Baptist Church is a "Religious" movement from Topeka Kansas, that protests pretty much anything that isn't from them. They have some pretty outrageous pickets, from funerals, college classes and the Holocaust Museum.

    Fred Phelps is the ringleader of this simply put, dumb behavior. Being a current service member, (USMC) I know exactly what it feels like to loose friends and have to see loved ones buried. A few of these morons came to Camp Lejuene about a year or so ago. They walked around shouting "1,2,3,4 God Hates the Marine Corps" stepped on the American Flag, and walked around with their normal "Thank God for IED's" and "Thank God for dead Marines".

    What they are trying to say is that everyone who doesn't belong to the Westboro Baptist Chuch (which most of them is Family) is going to repent for their sins, and that we are all going to hell.

    I am not religious by any means, but I have read a thing or to know the basis of any religion is forgiveness and understanding. These "people" claim they are Christians. Far from it if you ask me.

    You can google them or use wikipedia. Just to get an idea of where these in-bread morons are coming from.

    Here is the link to Wikipedia

    As far as crossing a line, absolutely they do. As much as I would like to see each and everyone get a .45 round put through their head, they are practicing their 1st Amendment rights which is freedom of speech. (As F'd as that sounds)

    Many states have placed bans on picketing funerals where they have to be 500 feet from funerals and a group of Motorcyclist (known as the Freedom riders) which is consisted of mostly former military form huge circles around the protestors. And during funerals during their chants they rev their engines to drown out the morons so the family can bury their loved ones in peace.

    These guys are morons....there is nothing else to say about it.
  8. LilianaLove

    LilianaLove GRCH Dog

    I come from a very military family (grandfather, uncle, aunt, father). If someone would have disrespected my family like that at my father's funeral, you KNOW my grandfather's inner brooklyn gangster would've come out. Oh, and my dad was jewish. They would've had A LOT to protest about. A JEW in the military!? What!?
    Gay, straight, black, white, tall, short, it DOES NOT matter. These people are risking their lives to give these idiots the right of free speech, and instead of HONORING them, these a**holes are saying 'thank god for dead soldiers'!!!????
    I wonder who they'll be blaming when they drive over an IED in their own country.
  9. 4PawsK9Svcs

    4PawsK9Svcs Good Dog

    Stepping on the American flag?? Isn't that illegal, or is that just setting it on fire?
  10. hogar

    hogar Good Dog

    A majority of those Harley people are Veterans who served as well. You have groups that will go to the funerals of our soldiers and picket because of the war and picket with signs calling the fallen soldier a murderer glad the soldiers dead all kinds of stuff. These Veterans are there to keep the Picketers away from the grieving family and must agree to no Physical altercations before hand. The reason for this is if a Physical altercation breaks out that is just as disrespectful to the family of that fallen soldier as well as the soldier. Those veterans are still here and still attending funerals if the family will allow
  11. LilianaLove

    LilianaLove GRCH Dog

    Flag Code
    The laws relating to the flag of the United States of America are found in detail in the United States Code. Title 4, Chapter 1 pertains to the flag; Title 18, Chapter 33, Section 700 regards criminal penalties for flag desecration; Title 36, Chapter 3 pertains to patriotic customs and observances. These laws were supplemented by Executive Orders and Presidential Proclamations.
    §8. Respect for flag
    No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.
    b. The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.
  12. Zoe

    Zoe GRCH Dog

    Gotta love those bikers!
  13. bostonitis

    bostonitis Good Dog

    Ugh if it was a little over a year ago I dont know how I wasnt there or didnt hear about that! I am shocked nothing happened....or how they even got on base :no2:
  14. Miakoda

    Miakoda GRCH Dog

    I just read about that tonight. It thoroughly disgusts and angers me. And I hope people band together behind this father and fight the courts with him.
  15. DexMom

    DexMom Little Dog

    Protesting at a funeral is just so wrong in any circumstances.
  16. Obed

    Obed Good Dog Premium Member

    I support their right to do what they did....
    but as a result of their choice to do so, I would not spit on them if they were burning.... and I expect that to happen to them one day, in the flesh or otherwise...
  17. Alma

    Alma GRCH Dog

    Bill O'Reilly To Pay Court Costs Of Fallen Marine's Father

    Fox News host Bill O'Reilly will pick up the legal tab of the father of a fallen U.S. Marine after a judge ruled that he must pay the court costs incurred by the members of the controversial Westboro Baptist Church, whom he sued for protesting his son's funeral.
    This particular church is infamous for protesting the funerals of U.S. servicemen with signs saying that God killed the soldiers because of homosexuality in America, among other things.
    O'Reilly called the legal fees an "outrage":
    I will pay Mr. Snyder's obligation. I am not going to let this injustice stand.​

    Bill O'Reilly To Pay Court Costs Of Fallen Marine's Father
  18. LilianaLove

    LilianaLove GRCH Dog

    Not a big fan of O'Reilly, but at least the father doesn't have to pay.
    I don't think ANYONE should pay except for the stupid Westboro Baptist Church people. :(
  19. Budboy88

    Budboy88 Good Dog

    No matter what you think of O'Reilly this a very respectful thing he did
  20. Lotsapits

    Lotsapits Big Dog

    This is the very report that I was refering to in the "respect the military why" forum.
    Makes me sick. They are certainly not Christian in my book. They need to be stopped.

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