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Thinking of Going Raw... Again.

Discussion in 'Raw Food Diets' started by jello, Sep 9, 2013.

  1. jello

    jello Banned

    I'm giving my opinion. I've shown facts.
    Just waiting for some science to be reciprocated... waiting...
     
  2. Beki

    Beki Good Dog Premium Member

    Oh there is no doubt, certifiable, that is my opinion.
     
  3. jello

    jello Banned

    Almost had a haiku going there...
    Anyway, why participate if you have nothing even remotely intelligent to say?
     
  4. Elliehanna

    Elliehanna GRCH Dog

    the way dogs survive on a veggie diet is by breaking down the cellulose (believe that is what you have to break down) in the cells before they eat it.
     
  5. Beki

    Beki Good Dog Premium Member

    I have never seen or heard of an ape eating a steak, please explain how the arrangement of the teeth in their mouth has anything to do with their digestive system or GI tracts.
     
  6. Purpledomino

    Purpledomino Good Dog

    Your cockiness is astounding....and you wonder why no one wants to play with you?
     
  7. jello

    jello Banned

    Apes will also hunt and kill.
     
  8. jello

    jello Banned

    Oi. I was just giving a few example of animals whose dentition don't match their dietary habits. They are considered carnivore- yet eat like an omnivore. They are considered herbivore- yet eat like an omnivore. They are considered omnivore- yet eat like a herbivore.
    Dogs may be considered carnivores (facultative)- but they eat like omnivores. If someone put a steak and a carrot in front of them ... they'll eat both.
    Now I am done with this thread. Because, you know... giving my (happens to be opposing) view point is arrogant. It also means that I am certifiable. lol
    Have a good one guys!
     
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  9. Beki

    Beki Good Dog Premium Member

    So you like to challenge but not be challenged? How's that argument or discussion playing out in your head?
    Still waiting to for an answer as to how the arrangement of teeth plays a part in the digestive and GI tract.......
    Your point is invalid.
     
  10. Savage Destiny

    Savage Destiny Big Dog

    You haven't shown anything...

    Maybe you should take a step back, look at your posts, and realize you're acting like a jackass before wondering why people are being "hostile" to you.
     
  11. jello

    jello Banned

    I don't understand what you are asking..? Call me dense but-- I would assume that (for example) a hippo having a herbivorous dental "arrangement" it would then have a longer digestive tract in order to deal with the food it consumes (vegetation).
    I don't understand YOUR point.
     
  12. jello

    jello Banned

    I have shown very clearly the disconnect in your theory. That because a dog's teeth are predatory it is therefore an "obligate carnivore" (you may not be specifically referring to your dog as an obligate carnivore, but if you are feeding it PMR, you are treating it like one). That because a dogs digestive tract is short- it should only consume meat.
    A dog is a facultative carnivore- a carnivore that will pretty much anything. Is it such a far stretch that these "anything" items it consumes, can EVENTUALLY become beneficial to the dog? As this "crappy science" study suggests.
    What you are saying is that "the dogs may have this gene but they may not be using it". MAY NOT being the two key words here. You have no idea. It wouldn't be a far reach that at least SOME dogs use this gene. As they continue to reproduce, their offspring will also have the ability to use this gene.
    Why does that sound crazy? Or stupid? Or far fetched?
    Perhaps because the kool-aid has been drunk and THERE IS NO GOING BACK. Dun dun DUN!
     
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  13. Beki

    Beki Good Dog Premium Member

    Nope, I think the key words are " crappy study"
     
  14. jello

    jello Banned

    OH! Or were you referring to (for example) a hippo chomping (masticating) its swamp grasses (with all of its GLORIOUS salivary amylase) to assist the long and arduous process down the hippo's GI tract? The salivary amylase that, you are attempting to point out (in a very complicated/roundabout way that will eventually prove to me that dogs shouldn't consume plant matter) that dogs DO. NOT. HAVE.
    They do not have it in their saliva. They DO produce it in their pancreas and intestines.
    If that is not what you are referring to, I have no idea? I don't like speaking in riddles Beki.
     
  15. jello

    jello Banned

    It was "crappy science" to be exact and it was in quotations for a reason.
     
  16. Beki

    Beki Good Dog Premium Member

    Hmmm, really, because in post # 62 you stated it as a scientifically proven fact?
     
  17. jello

    jello Banned

    It is a proven fact that dogs carry a gene to digest starches. Does that suit you better? That IS a proven fact.
    As I said before- I don't think it is a far stretch that at least some dogs utilize this gene and that the ability to use it could possibly get passed down to generations of dogs (which it probably already has).
     
  18. TannerG

    TannerG Boss Member

    conclusion: dogs can eat all kinds of shit =)
     
  19. jello

    jello Banned

    Anyway, this has gotten silly.
    I (ironically) very much respect people who devote their time to Frankenprey feeding. I think raw feeding is highly beneficial to dogs.
    I don't think that ALL dogs do well on it and I think there is a SPECIFIC reason for that.
    I think that anything whole and in it's natural state is far superior to anything processed. But I, for one, refuse to go through the PITA that is BARF feeding and even Frankenprey PMR. Besides, I would also be questioning whether I was doing it correctly and providing the correct amounts of nutrients.
    So, I actually do respect all of you who feed this way.
    I just hate the blanket statements and closed mindedness that some of you show.
    A. Kibble is not the devil (I know most of you know this).
    B. Some dogs DO NOT do well on PMR even when done correctly.
    C. Many dogs thrive on a diet that contains vegetation and even (oh my!) certain grains.
    That's all I was trying to say. Sorry for sounding bitchy in my delivery :)
     
  20. jello

    jello Banned

    Thank you! Yes! LOL
    I read that statement in Rick James' voice :) for what it's worth.
     

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