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Discussion in 'Reptiles & Amphibians' started by bullylover4ever, Oct 15, 2008.

  1. bullylover4ever

    bullylover4ever Big Dog

    My poison dart frogs are here!!! they came today around 10 am and they are sooo cute!!!

    here is Tweedle Dee
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    and Tweedle Dum
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    i need to get better lighting for the tank because it really makes the colors look off and I even shot raw but have no idea how to adjust them so jpeg it is!!! They are a lot "greener" in person, and they appear to love the habbitat and didnt wait two seconds to start roaming around they are very active!!!
     
  2. cher_bear

    cher_bear Good Dog

    oh wow they are so cool!!
     
  3. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Staff Member Administrator

    WOW....they are very cool looking:D.....
     
  4. BrazilianPitbulls

    BrazilianPitbulls Little Dog

    sooo cool...they're so beautiful~
     
  5. pitgirl17

    pitgirl17 Welcome Waggin

    Those are awesome looking frogs. Are they really poisonis and if so how do you handle them?
     
  6. Galadriel

    Galadriel Good Dog

    Too cute!!!
    pitgirl, their diet in the wild is what makes thm poisonous....captive diets don't have the toxins, so they're completely harmless in captivity. Regardless, they're a very sensitive genus and should NEVER be handled. Handling= death for the frogs.
     
  7. pitgirl17

    pitgirl17 Welcome Waggin

    really, I had no Idea. So how do you care for them and clean their tanks or do you just let them be. I think they are really cool.
     
  8. apbtmom76

    apbtmom76 Good Dog

    omg BL, they are sooooo cool looking. I like tweedle Dee's markings. very nice. Keep us updated on their progress. i wana see more pics. FREAKING COOL!!!
     
  9. bullylover4ever

    bullylover4ever Big Dog

    so the personalities are starting to show already... Dee is the more outgoing one and likes to climb more than Dum. She (im guessing) is almost more of a deep minty color with a hint of blue.
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    and she is digging the pillow moss!
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    dum is more of a watcher, he (again just guessing) will be on the lookout while dee goes in the hut to relax or whatever. And he is more of a bright green, and not as photogenic :p
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  10. PNWPBR

    PNWPBR Good Dog

    OMG JEALOUS!!!!


    How old are they and where did you order them from? Depending on age, you can sex some species by their toe pads.
     
  11. bullylover4ever

    bullylover4ever Big Dog

    i know arnt they great!? it took me forever to find just the right species but i ended up going with these D. Auratus "costa rican" green and blacks because they are the more outgoing of the auratus', I loved the color and they dont stress each other out as much as azureus or tinctorious. But they are better than i had hoped, they dont seem to want to hide at all :D
    i got them from saurian, but i dont know how old they are, but they dont ship froglets there. ill have to do a search on ways to sex auratus'
     
  12. jeoestreich

    jeoestreich GRCH Dog

    So very cool. I am SO jealous. I cannot wait to get my set up going.
     
  13. PNWPBR

    PNWPBR Good Dog

    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]How do I determine the sexes of my dart frogs? [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Unfortunately it's not all that easy to tell what sex dart frogs are, particularly baby and juvenile dart frogs, which are generally impossible to sex. Of course this is most often the age of the frogs offered for sale in the frog hobby, so you are often forced to buy frogs that are of unknown sex. This is frustrating in some cases, particularly if breeding is your goal, or if you are concerned about squabbles between tank mates of the same sex. So, one of the most important facts about your individual frogs, their gender, will be a mystery for you to solve. Below I offer a few pointers to help you figure this out. [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Male frogs are smaller than females . A useful point, but remember this is really only reliable once they are full grown, as another obvious cause of differences in size are age and rate of development. Adult dart frogs of most species are subject to this rule, but not every specimen, or, more to the point, not every male and female of the same species follows this rule, and in many cases the differences can be small and difficult to distinguish. Particularly useful with tinctorius and azureus. [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Female frogs and male frogs have different body shapes. Males tend to have a more flattened body shape, particularly when they are walking. Sitting upright makes males look more “female like”. Same with females, only opposite, when a female dart frog walks about her body flattens out and she looks more like a male. Females have a deeper body shape, but this aspect of their appearance is emphasized when they are sitting still, in an upright position. See images here for illustrations. This section really applies to D. tinctorius and D. azureus most completely, and then to the auratus, leucomelas, and some what to both D. galactonotus and the Phyllobates group. D.pumilio and thumbnail frogs do not show this difference in body shape, although in many cases the females are “fatter” than males. [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]There is a difference in size and shape of the toes on the front feet of males and females. [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]In the male frog, the pad at the end of the front toe is widened, whereas the females have a more narrow toe tip. Basically the females still have a widened toe tip, but the males are typically wider. Females might average toepads that are 1.5 times wider than the toe, while males would run 2.5 to 3 times wider than the toe. Unfortunately, this “rule” is far from a rule, and is frequently broken. For instance, out of every ten males and ten females, there can be expected to be some overlap, where one female with wide toepads might have wider toepads then the narrowest of the male toepads. But in that same group there would be five or six of each sex that could be strongly suspected just based on their toepads. [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This information applies to the tinctorius and azureus species in particular, but the trait can be seen to some extent in auratus and leucomelas, but not most other species. In the tinctorius and azureus, the reliability varies from one morph to another, but is a very helpful tool in determining the sexes of these species. [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Female frogs will fight with female frogs, and male and female frogs will court. [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]If you happen to have any adult dart frogs of known sex, particularly tinctorius and azureus, they can be used to help you sex your frogs. A female frog in an established terrarium, particularly if its breeding with a tankmate, can generally be relied upon to give a defense of her territory if any new female frog comes along. She might also begin to court any new male put in the tank. The frogs to be sexed need to be approaching maturity for this test to be safe, and please don't put the frog in the tank and walk away, if you are going to get a response from the tanks inhabitants it generally wont take more than fifteen minutes for it to happen. Allowing a young frog to be bullied for a few hours to a couple of days could ruin a frogs health and cause it to die. [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]You can also introduce two frogs of unknown sex to a neutral tank, and see what happens. They need to be old enough to be interested, which is typically eight to twelve months old. The less vegetation and decorations in the tank, the better, as a sparse tank will help to encourage the frogs to interact, and allow you to clearly observe them. An empty tank with a glass lid is perfect as long as they do not seem to distressed by the lack of cover. [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Male and female frogs will court. You can use the test above, but put a suspected female in with a male. [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Males will sometimes attack other males, so if you put an unknown frog in the tank with a known male and it aggressively chases the new frog around, then you can guess that the unknown sex frog is probably a male. [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]What is courting, and how can I tell if my dart frogs are courting? [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Courting is the mating dance of dart frogs. The specifics differ from one species to another in subtle ways, but most dart frogs have fairly similar courtship practices. In most cases females are the aggressors, and will follow the males around the tank. The male will, if interested, call occasionally, and perhaps hop of calmly, stopping a foot or so away. The female follows, generally approaching the male on his flank, from behind. She sits there, and strokes his flank in quick motions. These little strokes are given two or three times a minute or less, typically. As she strokes him, he will call once a minute or so. The calls, particularly of the tinctorius and azureus, are very quiet, you would generally not hear them unless you happened to be sitting right next to the tank, and it was very quiet in the room. You can tell if the male is calling even if you can't hear him, by watching him. He will appear as if he is straining to defecate, the flanks deflated looking, and the throat pouch will be expanded. [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This sort of behavior will go on for anywhere from a few hours, to a day or two, but generally will end in egg laying. The male will lead the female to a chosen spot, generally a secluded spot on the tank floor, and the female will lay a clutch of eggs. The eggs will typically be laid on some smooth surface such as a leaf or a Petri dish or margarine lid. This can take several hours for larger clutches. In some cases, the male may leave the hut or breeding site during the egg laying, but will generally return to fertilize the clutch. Eggs will typically be fertilized by the time the day is over. [/FONT]​
     
  14. jeoestreich

    jeoestreich GRCH Dog

    That is good info PNWBPR!
     
  15. bullylover4ever

    bullylover4ever Big Dog

    thanks pnwpbr i just got done reading that on saurian :D and i think i was right i just got a pic of dum on the tank and his toes are noticably larger, and they both carry themselfs diffrently. I think i got lucky :D
     
  16. PNWPBR

    PNWPBR Good Dog

    If you have a pair you got VERY lucky!

    Glad you went with Saurian, ive heard nothing but good things about his darts.
     
  17. CarlyB

    CarlyB Good Dog

    They are cute! I like frogs.
     
  18. Mollie's Nana

    Mollie's Nana Krypto Super Dog Staff Member Super Moderator

    Now those are wayyyy cute!!!! :D
     
  19. firedrake13

    firedrake13 Good Dog

    OMG!!! Sooooo cute!!!!

    BL I'm on my way to steal them away!! ;)
     
  20. apbtmom76

    apbtmom76 Good Dog

    BL, I am so jealous, those frogs are awesome. And I like Dum, the minty green is sexy!!
     

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