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The APBT ! Modern Problems

Discussion in 'General Dog Discussions' started by Alexredpit, Dec 19, 2011.

  1. Alexredpit

    Alexredpit Puppy

    Many People think that Pitbulls are bad, angry, viscous and monsters.
    The Pitbulls that you see on News, magazines or tv are different from the cuddly pest you have in your home. Fortunately Pitbulls are like huskies, they weren't bred to guard or protect a person, they were made to work whether for 10 minutes or 10 hours. They don't care about anything else. Work was their aim and agenda. So why do people buy a puppy, and laugh at it and then its a monster on the CNN ? The dogs that were tormented have a broken emotional mind, they cant cope with the social life !
    I think that Pitbulls are not just any dog they may not be right for a person but as a metaphor its like being not in the marines but like in the elite S.E.A.L . This is how a person should think before buying a pitbull, if i am in the s.e.a.l could i withstand the pressure ?
    Pitbulls are not just cool and nice dogs, they're amazing. So the pure true/ game-bred old lines are rare. Buying a pitbull from a breeder, he sells UKC pitbulls but in fact they can be am staffs or even Mastiffs ?
    So why did Miami-dade ban those pitbulls ? or like New York( some parts ) ?
    My main idea was that there are always some sickos who will try to fight them, cripple their emotional stability and starve them. Why do breeders sell their dogs to those people ? Don't they screen the buyers ? Throughout the year, the only pitbulls that attack into shops or bite people 1) very poor people living in worst cities which asks me how could they buy a pitbull in the first place ? 2) Gangster type mens, whats the point of getting a dog if they don't love the dog ? 3) humans who laugh that their pitbull will snatch a chunk from the neighbor ? and why not get a mastiff or rott ?
    Is their an aim of those attacks that happen ? Why Tosa inu attacks are not common, canary dog, mastiffs, labradors ?
    Im not with BSL or anything but the owners of Pitbulls need a through screening and many amazing dogs go into wrong hands and the ownership needs to be limited to good law abiders, who are physically and emotionally stable of handling a pitbull.
    What do you think, opinions needed.
     
  2. ConMan

    ConMan <b><font color="green">Premium Member aka king_leo

    You're posts are always far more confusing than they probably need to be. They ramble from topic to topic with no real agenda.
    Let's see... What do you mean people buy a puppy, laugh at, and ruin it emotionally? A dog won't be ruined if you laugh at it. I laught at Leon daily.

    Some of the best pitbulls I have met were/are tortured rescues, the most tortured dog [pitbull] will still love a human [assuming the dog is mentally stable when it comes to genetics]

    1. I don't think that a pitbull owned by a poor person in a bad city is more likely to be Human Aggressive than a pitbull living with a rich owner in a nice city?
    2. I don't think being a gangster has anything to do with how a dog turns out. And I don't think being gangster means you dont love your dog.
    3. A person who thinks it's funny to have a Human Aggressive dog...yes that's a problem. Good job there.

    All in all when you ask why do breeders sell their dogs to idiot owners... well that's because they probably aren't a REAL breeder.
    A true APBT breeder be it ADBA, UKC, etc does not sell to just anyone. In fact lots of breeders keep most of the litter or only sell to people who already own and WORK the breed.
     
  3. LilianaLove

    LilianaLove GRCH Dog

    Even real breeders sell their dogs to idiot owners. There are 7 billion people in this world; the majority of those people know jack shit about dog ownership. You're bound to sell a dog to an idiot putting on a good front at least once, unless you only have 1 litter of 1 puppy and you keep it.
     
  4. ConMan

    ConMan <b><font color="green">Premium Member aka king_leo

    Dang it, wrote a stinkin' reply and it got deleted.

    When I say real breeder I mean like some of the people you find here.
    Despite my experience with the breed, and my best intentions they still more than likely would not sell to me...yet anyways. These breeders will keep half the litter no matter how big it is. And they only breed when they are in need of a dog, or people in their "circle" are in need of dogs. They aren't open to the public. Lots of the best breeders cull pups too, so a 6-8 pup litter could really on be a 4-5pup litter.

    The LEGIT real breeders are the ones who work/show their dogs, have a circle, and rarely every need to advertise their litters for sale let alone have a website. Anyone can be a "real' breeder if they happen to have a papered bitch and stud... doesn't mean they are a good or reputable breeder.

    A legitimate, REAL, APBT breeder yes has probably sold to a lemon once or twice because people can put on fronts. But I bet it hardly EVER happens because they have a circle, they do legitimate background checks to working/showing homes only. etc.

    This is all IMO of course though :D
     
  5. Alexredpit

    Alexredpit Puppy

    no. I wanted to justify that some people take pit bulls and use small animals as bait when they are puppies( under 1 year ), making them taste blood like in barbaric times + more cruel. They may even laugh and hit/ smack the dog. Those are the worst scenarios of pit bull owners. Ofcourse it would be very nice to say that people dont fight pitbulls and that only good owners have them. Unfortunately this is not true.
     
  6. Elliehanna

    Elliehanna GRCH Dog

    so your saying letting your dog be a dog and chase pray is a bad thing? I was estatic when my boy caught his 1st mouse...my puppy was not the one to get it but he tracked the dang thing and showed the adult dog where the sucker liked to go, now the adult dog knows how to hunt mice. Grayhounds are trained to chase a bag that is supposed to mimic a rabbit. Hell I have my dogs chase a piece of cow hide with its fur still on it attached to a stick, mimicking a small pray item to wear them out and calm down the pray drive my boys have. I don't think hitting is a good thing but it depends on the intent of the hit too, a dog knows if your smacking it around playing, it starts playing back or if your trying to hurt it.
     
  7. Alexredpit

    Alexredpit Puppy

    Elliehanna i think there is a difference between when its in the blood, the drive and when you train it to be. There are dogs that were trained to kill small animals. its like saying huskies attack strangers as if they're man-stoppers ( dogs who were made to protect humans ) if you'll do that to a husky, you've crippled their emotional stability. Same with Pits, if you do something thats not in a positive way, your going to get something thats badly socialized and definitely will not be an ambassador of the breed !
     
  8. jacko

    jacko Big Dog

    face facts,, pit-bulls are combat dogs first and foremost, it just so happens that they love people(kids) and they make damn good pets for the right people.
     
  9. DancesWithCurs

    DancesWithCurs Good Dog

    No, it's really not the same. You're comparing two completely different types of dogs and behaviors. Dogs with high prey drive will chase small animals. You don't really have to train them because the instinct to chase is already there. Also what you're saying is incredibly subjective, as it's not terribly uncommon to train bulldogs to hunt vermin like coons and rats
     
  10. MJJean

    MJJean GRCH Dog

    No one "makes" a dog protect humans/property or chase and kill small animals. Those are two of a dogs traditional functions and many breeds have been bred for hundreds of years to do just that.

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    And as has been said many times here, I'd trust a Pit Bull trained in Personal Protection sports before I would trust a random dog I meet on the street. Proper PP dogs are very well trained and very well socialized and make excellent breed ambassadors.
     
  11. CelticKarma

    CelticKarma Good Dog

    ^this
    First off there is no such thing as "bait dogs" that is just some fabricated BS the HSUS would have uneducated people believe. Second, tasting blood has absolutely nothing to so with nothing, I have feed a many a pup a good raw meaty bone because it is good for them and keeps them busy, not sure where you are going with any of the babble ....


     
  12. Alexredpit

    Alexredpit Puppy

    MJJean, Pit bulls are quite one of the strongest breeds known. Pitts can be trained to hunt, whatever. My point is that if you teach a dog to use bait ( cats, puppies, small mammals ) then problems arise whether pits or even beagles. some Pit bulls are known for personal protection, some even in the french protection ring. The husky thing was about personal protection. You cant decide which dog can do or not do. Its like saying ok today pit bulls are guard dogs, tomorrow sled or protection . The positive with pit bulls is that you cant have human and dog aggression together, most of breeds just have one.
    Protection focuses on obedience, on commands when to bite, to stop. whilst guard dogs have this idea of " my territory ".
    I always wondered why people buy chinaman/ eli/ gators, Hammond's and turtle buster. Protection Training any dog is not easy especially pit bull, it takes 2-3 years so it perform not average but high level.
    Pits, Rotts are just like huge SUVs and they can just mow everything on their way. The brakes are needed. PP shows the level of obedience, effort. Its not about life and death situations but if unfortunately the dog happens to be in that situation. It wont panic or fear, its going to do what they learned and just in most situations win.
    Do you know why you said I trust Pit bulls on PP well because they're eager to please, always full of motivation and keenness. You don't see that on a pug or english mastiffs, do you ?

    ---------- Post added at 09:11 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:08 PM ----------

    Is it fine for any dog to eat/ kill/ seriously injure a human or another dog ? Im sure you know that meat is food and killing sheep, cows for food is nature of life.
     
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  13. Atheist

    Atheist Good Dog

    Gotta love some of that mythology about pit bulls.

    Particularly using bait dogs and small animals like cats so they can practice fighting and taste blood. It seems to me feeding a kitten to a pit bull would not do much to hone their fighting skills anymore than beating up 1st graders would prepare a man for the UFC. Tasting blood, they're dogs, and they all love raw bloody meat. I use to have a raw meat eating blood thirsty chihuahua. Vicious little bastard he was, a real danger to society.

    As for personal protection, I know my dog seems to love everybody, but if you want to pretend to beat up one of my family members, I would love to find out if he becomes a little problem for you, as he really really really loves his family and know we are the ones who give him is little bloody raw meat treats.
     
  14. brindlexpitt

    brindlexpitt Derpidoo

    i can NOT figure out for the life of me what youre talking about at all TBH. but what i COULD understand was one of your first comments, true game bred dogs arent rare. thats all im commenting on because i cant read any of the rest. sorry. lol
     
  15. MJJean

    MJJean GRCH Dog

    My replies in red. You, my friend, have a lot to learn.
     
  16. CelticKarma

    CelticKarma Good Dog

    I also wanted to reply to this....This is an age old problem just as some people should not have children, but the last thing we need in this breed is the government or anyone else screening anyone. The last I check this was a free Country and we are free to own legal property and that is what a dog of any breed is. It is the breeders job to screen those that take a pup. The biggest problem this breed faces more then anything else is furmommies.
     
  17. LovePup

    LovePup Good Dog

    MJJean, Great reply. I wanted to add that I have seen dogs of even the friendliest of dogs turn and try and attack and the owners are dumbfounded on why. And these are dogs like Retrievers and Labradors. You don't have to train a dog to be protective. I never trained snow to be protective of the yard or me or my husband or Koi or my brother or sister; she does it anyways and I have seen it. She has never bitten anyone, but has gotten her message across.

    OP your over all post was rather confusing. Where where you going with this topic? Are you saying Pit Bulls are bad because of the media or that Pit Bulls are just bad dogs? Because thats what I got out of it.
     
  18. Deniselynn

    Deniselynn Banned

    :) Logan is a complete love bug but he has protected me on more than one occasion. When I take the garbage out at night I always take him with me. He just observes. Never growls or barks but the fur on his back stands up if someone is walking across the street or approaches us.

    As for killing small animals, that is nature at is finest. Dogs are hunters and I don't think it is right to deny them the innate ability to capture and kill prey. Dogs are domesticated but they still need to be dogs. As for a pit bull attacking another dog, as MJean said, it it happened, it would be MY fault, not my dog's fault.
     
  19. ConMan

    ConMan <b><font color="green">Premium Member aka king_leo

    realAlexRedPit... Would you do us all a favor and use paragraphs to separate your topics and somewhat proper punctuation when you post? I seriously would love to give more input but I can't read through your replies because they are so confusing.

    Pitbulls are NOT an acception to being both DA and HA. I have seen a couple Pitbulls [types] that were both DA and selectively HA. ANY dog can be both.

    I'm just going to simply agree and say you have a lot to learn! You should start by reading all the stickies in all the main topics [General Discussion, History, Healthy, Training, etc], I've read almost all of them and there's some great stuff in 'em!
     
  20. catchrcall

    catchrcall Good Dog Staff Member Super Moderator

    As to the thought that letting them hunt/taste blood makes them mean or unpredictable, I'll just say it's not true. This is one of my favorite pictures of my old Chico dog. Here is a dog that caught a few hundred hogs during his lifetime, and that's no exaggeration, and he loved kids. Here he is meeting boy scouts at an event they put on to let them see different kinds of outdoor activities. We used to take our bulldogs and curs to these things all the time.

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    ---------- Post added at 10:20 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:19 PM ----------

    My wife is explaining his protective vest to a couple scouts and their troop leader.
     

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