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Texas dog boarder, breeder testifies...Gary Hammonds

Discussion in 'Breeder Discussion' started by fearlessknight, Apr 29, 2008.

  1. fearlessknight

    fearlessknight Good Dog

    CROWN POINT | Dog breeder and boarder Gary Hammonds looked Monday at the pictures of a couple of the 15 dogs confiscated from Carlton Davis Jr.'s Calumet Township home and said they weren't in fighting condition.

    "Absolutely not," he said. "It would be like having starving kids in Africa come and box with healthy American kids."

    Defense attorney Gary Weiss called the Texas native as an expert witness to talk about his longtime experience with pit bull terriers, dogfighting, breeding and dog show competitions.

    Deputy Prosecutor Mark Watson rested the state's case early Monday against Davis, the Gary firefighter facing 15 misdemeanor counts of animal cruelty, eight felony counts of promotion of an animal in a fighting contest, one felony count of using an animal in a fighting contest and two other related misdemeanors for allegedly hosting dogfights at his home. Fifteen dogs were confiscated from the 34-year-old's home May 29, 2006, after neighbors complained about the condition of the animals. Lake County police found equipment on the Gary firefighter's property that they believed to be used in dogfighting.

    Hammonds acknowledged Monday that Davis' confiscated equipment could be used for either a variety of activities like weight pulls or breeding, or it could all be used in dogfighting. Weiss, has said the allegations against Davis are "completely unfounded" and that he is strictly a dog breeder.

    Gary firefighter Thomas Smith also testified Monday that he fed and watered the dogs while Davis was out of town. He said he thought they may have been fed twice.

    http://www.nwitimes.com/articles/2008/04/28//updates/breaking_news/doc48160f1bc44fb918222847.txt
     
  2. EDOGZ818

    EDOGZ818 Big Dog

    I respect Gary Hammond's knowledge. I do think he may have overstepped his bounds , by offering his opinion on the dog's being in fighting conditioning.

    Unless he was the one conditioning them , or knows them , that would be subjective , either way he felt. I would rely on the conditioners opinion.

    It does seem like the FireFighter is guilty , becuase they have charged him ( Charged doesn't = Proved ) , promotion & holding / staging fights.

    I'm shocked that Gary Hammond's would testify for the prosecution. His hands are far from clean. It appears his testimony may have helped the defendant , and if that was his intent , I would find it more acceptable. If he ever tries the " I would never " , routine , I would feel he is a hypocrite.

    I understand he is in the business of the " DOGS " , but IMO , you should still " Keep It Real ". I have no patience for those who " Fake The Funk " , in regards to these dogs.
     
  3. Miakoda

    Miakoda GRCH Dog

    I don't feel he overstepped his boundaries. It sounds as if he was questioned whether or not he believed the dogs to be in fighting condition and he gave them his answer. And everyone knows that it's still an opinion and the judge/jury can take it or leave it.
     
  4. EDOGZ818

    EDOGZ818 Big Dog

    His opinions rates more consideration as an expert. I still don't think he should have testified for the state. Do you think his hands are clean?
     
  5. Miakoda

    Miakoda GRCH Dog

    If the state asked him to be an expert witness, then they get what they deserve. And it stated that they knew his history in dogfighting. Why should he turn down the chance to possibly educate some people in that thin/skinny dogs + a treadmill + a pedigree doesn't = a dogfighter?
     
  6. EDOGZ818

    EDOGZ818 Big Dog

    I think that if that was his intent , he would have appeared for the defense. ( JMHO )

    Prosecution = States evidence
     
  7. simms

    simms Good Dog

    I dont doubt GH intentions for one second, if more men in this world could aspire to be like him. He has done more for this breed in a life time than most can fathom, tried and true. He is an honorable man to god and his family and friends. How dare you on a bublic msg board suggest that his intentions are otherwise.


    I think you need to make a phone call to GH, instead of running your head on a public msg board!

    your a mod on this board and I will respect that. However I question your credability in the dogs.
     
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  8. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Administrator

    I think Edogz is expressing his opinion with regard to the thread.
     
  9. Miakoda

    Miakoda GRCH Dog


    He was called by the defense ;)

     
  10. EDOGZ818

    EDOGZ818 Big Dog

    @ SIMMS : If it is okay with you , I'd like to be able to express my opinion on a public discussion board. If you want to elimate opinions... start with yours.

    I agree with your assesment about GH though!

    @ MiaKoda & Simms : I misread the article & thought he testified for the prosecution , because of the way it was worded , I got the impression that after GH testified , the prosecution rested it's case. The prosecution would / should have rested before the defense called witnesses. ( That was were I got confused. )

    In retrospect , my opinion has changed. ( That's why I love our staff & members , always sharing the correct info. )

    GH is a rolemodel to aspire to be for any DOGMAN. I just don't think he should testify on the states behalf , to put any dog men / women in jail. ( JMHO ) Which he didn't.

    So I stand corrected!

    @ Simms : Granted I was mininformed / misread - How do you feel I disparaged GH ? ( Aside from wrongly citisizing him for being a prosecution witness ?)

    I respect his knowledge.
    His hands are not clean in regards to Dog Fighting.
    He is & has been in the business of the "DOGS".
    He is "Keeping It Real" & probably has no patience for those "Faking The Funk" , with these dogs either.
    Didn't testify for the prosecution. ( My only Beef was that he did. Albeit mistakenly.)
    His opinion on the dog's conditioning is subjective. What he may consider "Conditioned" , may be different from what another considers conditioned.

    IMHO , testifying for the state is not honorable , if done for money , public image or leniancy.
     
  11. EDOGZ818

    EDOGZ818 Big Dog

    P.S. @ Simms : Question away @ my credibility in / with the dogs. It goes back to '81 - '82. How old were you then ?
     
  12. simms

    simms Good Dog

    If you have been around that long, you ought to know better.
     
  13. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Administrator

    Get back on topic.
     
  14. EDOGZ818

    EDOGZ818 Big Dog

    Just in case you missed it @ Simms
     
  15. simms

    simms Good Dog

    I didn't miss your post. The only thing I have to say to you is, yes you are entitled to your oppinions an I'm entitled to mine.

    I'm not about to continue a conversation about GH with you, esp on a public msg board....I suppose you didnt get that out of my first response on this thread.now if you care to do a little investigation on your own. I'm sure he would be glad to speak with you.
     
  16. Boogieman

    Boogieman Guest

    Although he makes me mad when he bitches about dogs with cropped ears.......lol

    I would NEVER question his dedication and promotion of the breed. I would have to whole heartedly agree with Simms on the assessment of GH and what he stands for.
     
  17. EDOGZ818

    EDOGZ818 Big Dog

    Open letter to Gary Hammond

    Dear Mr. Gary Hammonds.
    I would personaly like tio apoligize for disparanging your charecter. I respected you since the days since you were established as a early representitive of a true dogman ,on a level worthy of aspiring to.

    I mis read an article , that confused me by wrongfuly giving me the imression that you testified for the state , as a witness against Carlton Davis Jr.'s .
    I was shocked , because of my high opinion that I had for you. Knowing you through GBoys K , I never , in my life expected you would turn states evidence and try to put a dogman in prison. ( Which you didn't ) I questioned your motives. I went to great intellectual efforts to discredit you ; unjustly , but not on your committment and knowledge with the dogs , but for , in my mistaken belief , your reasononing or moral qualifications to testify against a Dogman for thr prosecution.
    Here are a few of my qoutes about you that were deragotry and wrong:

    1 ) "I respect Gary Hammond's knowledge. I do think he may have overstepped his bounds , by offering his opinion on the dog's being in fighting conditioning.

    Unless he was the one conditioning them , or knows them , that would be subjective , either way he felt. I would rely on the conditioners opinion."

    2 ) "I'm shocked that Gary Hammond's would testify for the prosecution. His hands are far from clean. It appears his testimony may have helped the defendant , and if that was his intent , I would find it more acceptable. If he ever tries the " I would never " , routine , I would feel he is a hypocrite.

    I understand he is in the business of the " DOGS " , but IMO , you should still " Keep It Real ". I have no patience for those who " Fake The Funk " , in regards to these dogs. "

    3 ) " I misread the article & thought he testified for the prosecution , because of the way it was worded , I got the impression that after GH testified , the prosecution rested it's case. The prosecution would / should have rested before the defense called witnesses. ( That was were I got confused. )

    In retrospect , my opinion has changed"

    4 ) " GH is a rolemodel to aspire to be for any DOGMAN. I just don't think he should testify on the states behalf , to put any dog men / women in jail. ( JMHO ) Which he didn't.

    So I stand corrected! "

    5 ) " I respect his knowledge.
    His hands are not clean in regards to Dog Fighting.
    He is & has been in the business of the "DOGS".
    He is "Keeping It Real" & probably has no patience for those "Faking The Funk" , with these dogs either.
    Didn't testify for the prosecution. ( My only Beef was that he did. Albeit mistakenly.)
    His opinion on the dog's conditioning is subjective. What he may consider "Conditioned" , may be different from what another considers conditioned.

    IMHO , testifying for the state is not honorable , if done for money , public image or leniancy."

    I apologize for wrongly disparaging you charecter in any way , and as wrong as I were , you were right! I stand corrected!

    Sincerely & Apologetic,
    EDOGZ818
     
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  18. BRZLNGODDESS

    BRZLNGODDESS Little Dog

    What this was is a trap...no way for you to answer the question and be right...The intent was to say the dogs were not being used in fight and it was twisted like always...Gary did not overstep people misused his words. And the gentlemen was helped after the people involved twisted things around enough said. What you guys are thinking of Gary is untrue and don't believe everything you read in the papers you guys that own this breed should now by now...Newspaper writters dont' put what is true in the papers but what would capture an audience
     
  19. way too much fellas... to respect someone who is of this world is to just keep it off the boards... all this because you read wrong? "hands dirty" , are u kidding me? who are u? and an attemp to apologize on this board? after what u said u owe him a knock on the door 4 the apology man... if u know him u wouldnt say nuthin', why dont u go feed something blue, go on MTV & put ur opinion on a cd & get away from name dropping like that... shame man, straight up shame... thats why there isnt a dog game anymore...

    ---------- Post added at 09:16 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:14 PM ----------

    thats my last post, now i gotta figure out how 2 get off this shit...
     
  20. 6pack1%er

    6pack1%er Good Dog

    way to respond to a long dead thread
     

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