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Discussion in 'Bull Terrier' started by aprotopo, Aug 8, 2011.

  1. crazybully

    crazybully Little Dog

    Thanks for your input but where are you getting your information regarding poisoning from zinc? have you read the previous posts showing that a lethal dose in a mouse is nearly 8000 mg? My VET prescribed me the 500 mg the only reason i questioned it openly is because of a possible copper imbalance. I'll refer you to the AAFCO post that i made as well showing that the daily minimum for a dog is 120-1000 at a maximum.
    The biggest thing is... out of 9 vets and a few specialists that i've seen, NOBODY knows what the problem is here, treating for this zinc deficiency can't hurt, the worst that will happen is i blow 20$ on zinc and it doesn't work. It is a rare condition but it is possible that some dogs suffer from it, and it's becoming more common in English Bull Terriers.

    And Sonya's feet look just like how mine too... poor thing, I still rinse his in chlorahexidine and it seems to keep them a bit "fresher" smelling :lol:

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    And That is a good idea, i forgot to add any pictures as it may help somebody in the future if we can actually come down to a final solution for this problem :lol:


    nd just to be clear this is a yeast infection, it's been diagnosed as such, BUT!! after months of treatments of many different kinds only antibiotics fix it temporarily. There is a root cause for this infection to be taking hold, and with the pads growing and becoming misshapen it's becoming more evident of a possible Zinc deficiency.
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  2. aprotopo

    aprotopo Big Dog

    Wow, it's like looking as Sonya's feet! That's EXACTLY what they look like!

    (I'm also a nail biter... maybe OCD goes together with owning a bull terrier lol)

    Thanks for posting this!
  3. crazybully

    crazybully Little Dog

    that's not me... somebody else bites my nails while i sleep :p

    It looks like it hurts i feel so bad for any dogs that have this constantly... and like we do everything we can do get rid of it ;(
  4. Bullful

    Bullful Little Dog

    I would agree on the diagnosis of yeast, keeping the feet clean and dry will help clear it up. The pads being uneven probably has more to do with your dogs construction than with her diet. Watch as she walks towards you and see if she is putting her feet down straight. Her pads are not being worn evenly because of the way she moves. You can snip the overgrowth or use a dremel and grind it down so that it doesn't get to bad. Check out the following link, page 25, Base-narrow. I would be curious to know if she moves like this. http://www.btca.com/content/documents/education/bull_terrier_illustrated_standard.pdf

    Good Luck
  5. crazybully

    crazybully Little Dog

    Thank you for that pdf!!! I've not seen it for quite some time, it's not as exaggerated as a base narrow but it's not PERFECTLY correct either, kind of an in between but not nearly noticeable. The yeast just won't go away is the problem i'm ocd about cleaning them, and keeping them dry, and it just stays :( I use nail clippers to clip the overgrowth off as it irritates me to no end to see it there when he's on my lap etc

    Thank you again Bullful! :D
  6. Bullful

    Bullful Little Dog

    Just curious, Do you see the same symptoms on his rear paws. I would guess no because they are not commonly licked by the dogs. Saliva has a lot to do with the condition perpetuating itself.
    Years ago we used Mitrazol powder but found that it causes fertility problems. There is a product that a lot of toy and terrier folks use called "Angel Eyes". It removes tear stains from the coat and helps with the feet also. Give it a look.
  7. crazybully

    crazybully Little Dog

    Actually yes the condition is in the back as well, it's not quite as bad but nearly as bad, between his toes on his back paws gets worse than the front but the nails don't get quite as bad in the back.

    I'm going to look into the angel eyes stuff for sure!! thank you so much again! Whenever he licks i always deter him from it as much as possible, little brat keeps making things worse!
  8. Mardi

    Mardi Puppy

    Yes, of course, you are right. I went home and looked in Small Animal Clinical Nutrition (which granted has some info I don't agree with in it, but that's another story lol). Should have checked before I went all crazy about the doses!
    Sorry bout that!

  9. Bullful

    Bullful Little Dog

    My girls also all get that redness in the same three areas. Those areas are usually damp in hot weather. You'll notice that the area on her stomach is usually folded together when sitting and laying down. Try putting a bit of Gold Bond Medicated powder on her to reduce the dampness and see if it helps.
  10. Shiskababe

    Shiskababe Puppy

    Sookie had the red/brown at the root of her nails which the vet said he believed was bacterial infection. A little over a month ago I put her on Miraclezyme pills (probiotics/enzymes). I pill for every cup of food. Her nails have cleared up 95%. Very interesting read about the zinc.
  11. aprotopo

    aprotopo Big Dog

    Thanks Bullful! Interesting about the Miraclezyme pills as well. I am trying to find the reason behind all of these symptoms though. I feel like there must be an underlying condition. I just can't accept that Sonya's redness in the tummy and sometimes private parts, nail discoloration, foot problems, ear problems, and itchiness is unrelated...
  12. pampam22

    pampam22 Good Dog

    So....did the zinc end up helping or what? I would love to know what changes it has or has not made!
  13. aprotopo

    aprotopo Big Dog

    Update: I tried the Zinc supplements for about a month or so, they didn't do anything I think (I was using the lower dose). I started on this holistic diet with just raw fish and duck and tons of salmon oil pills and that seemed to be a miracle, everything cleared up. However, I think that it was just seasonal allergies at that point and that as soon as "winter" came (we're in Florida), she felt much better anyways. Now I just feed my regular raw food diet and fish oil pills and hydroxizine when needed. Sonya doesn't have much problems with her toes and ears now, which is great! She still gets itchy and red sometimes so then I give her the hydroxizine.
    Hope that helps!
  14. pampam22

    pampam22 Good Dog

    Thanks for the update! Fortunatly our pup is not as yeasty as the dogs on this thread seem to be, but from what I gather it could get worse so I am trying to find something that will work now incase it does start getting worse.
  15. Hucklebutt

    Hucklebutt Banned Back Yard Breeder

    coconut oil! look at the advantages to it online! I use it as a conditioner and a tooth paste, it immediately improved my dogs breath right away! I put it in a spray bottle and shake well before i spray it on since it doesnt mix! but Im going to start using it after baths as well along with using it as a tooth paste. amazing stuff.

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    [h=3]Skin Conditions[/h]
    • Clears up skin conditions such as eczema, flea allergies, contact dermatitis,and itchy skin
    • Reduces allergic reactions and improves skin health
    • Makes coats become sleek and glossy, and deodorizes doggy odor
    • Prevents and treats yeast and fungal infections, including candida
    • Disinfects cuts and promotes wound healing
    • Applied topically, promotes the healing of cuts, wounds, hot spots, dry skin and hair, bites and stings
    • Improves digestion and nutrient absorption
    • Aids healing of digestive disorders like inflammatory bowel syndrome and colitis
    • Reduces or eliminates bad breath in dogs
    • Aids in elimination of hairballs and coughing
    [h=3]Immune System, Metabolic function, Bone Health[/h]
    • Contains powerful antibacterial, antiviral, and anti-fungal agents that prevent infection and disease
    • Regulates and balance insulin and promotes normal thyroid function
    • Helps prevent or control diabetes
    • Helps reduce weight, increases energy
    • Aids in arthritis or ligament problems
    Integrative Veterinarian and Naturopathic Doctor, Dr. Karen Becker, says “Medium-chain triglycerides (MCTs) have been shown to improve brain energy metabolism and decrease the amyloid protein buildup that results in brain lesions in older dogs. Coconut oil is a rich source of MCTs. I recommend 1/4 teaspoon for every 10 pounds of body weight twice daily for basic MCT support.”
    Why not give coconut oil a try and introduce it to your dog? It offers many benefits for your dog and is a more sustainable and less toxic source of oils than fish.

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