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Suggestion: Rule #18

Discussion in 'Feedback & Suggestions' started by bahamutt99, Oct 29, 2008.

  1. Yes, I think breeders should be allowed to post their sites

  2. No, I do not think breeders should be allowed to post their sites

  3. Yes, let them post their sites if certain criteria are met (specify in a post, please)

  4. Undecided/Don't care

  5. Other (specify in a post, please)

  1. bahamutt99

    bahamutt99 Stealth ninja

    I suggest that rule 18 be abolished or tweaked. I would prefer that people not be able to peddle puppies here on the board. That much I agree with. But I think it is a little ridiculous to stop reputable people from sharing their websites with their dogs. We've been treated to pictures of well-bred litters here on the forum, and that's never caused any problems. Why prohibit those people from sharing the sites they've built for their dogs?

    As I am given to understand, my website that's been in my signature forever is fine, but if I breed a litter and talk about it on there it becomes not fine. That's a little bit unfair, methinks. Nothing has changed about what I do, save that I've taken the next step. I feel that it wouldn't damage the board's reputation to allow good breeders to show off their websites.

    The rule as it reads right now:

    We do NOT allow the selling dogs, advertising litters or linking to breeding kennels.

    Possible changes:

    Do not use this board to promote litters or sell puppies. Linking to your kennel site is allowable, provided it is not for the express purpose of gaining exposure for a current litter. Board staff reserves the right to judge intent on a case-by-case basis.

    Or maybe:

    We do not allow the selling of dogs or advertising of litters on Pit Bull Chat. Linking to kennel sites is only allowed for breeders who meet the following criteria: [Insert criteria here. Dogs bred to standard, titled before breeding, no more than X litters a year, yada yada.] Board staff reserves the right to remove links that do not qualify.

    I appreciate the intent of the rule, but I feel it is too sweeping. I don't know how many reputable breeders are on this board, but I think we would do a service by allowing them to share, if for no other reason than for the benefit of newbies who may not know what a good breeder looks like. And simply, if someone looking for a well-bred puppy finds what they're after through this board, would that necessarily be a bad thing?

    If someone posts a link that is questionable, the members will undoubtedly do the work of sifting them out by asking them a ton of questions. The good ones will be able to answer those questions reasonably, and the bad ones will get irritated, making it easy to vote them off the island. LOL! If a person posts a link that the community in general disagrees with, they're not going to be shy about letting that person know, and then it can be dealt with.

    Anyway. That's my suggestion today. Thoughts? Flames? :D
    Last edited by a moderator: Oct 29, 2008
  2. shadowwolf

    shadowwolf Good Dog

    Personally, if they're not peddling puppies, the dogs are titled and preferably have at least minimal health testing done (though for some that's an optional request) I don't see a major issue with it pending moderator agreement.

    PNWPBR Good Dog

    Thats a hard call to make as even moderators can disagree.
  4. Rai_77

    Rai_77 Good Dog

    It's my belief that a truly reputable breeder has no need for advertising. For this reason, I automatically question those that do have websites where litters are advertised.

    Besides all that, even if criterion were to be established, who is going to be able to verify that all these things are actually being met? I think it would end up being a good ol' boys club of who and what kennels were allowed to post such things.
  5. shadowwolf

    shadowwolf Good Dog

    See, there are some breeders who post puppy photos for brag rights alone. That's something I'd do. But then, I'd not be breeding a litter until I had homes lined up anywho. -shrug-
  6. bahamutt99

    bahamutt99 Stealth ninja

    A website is not necessarily for advertising. Sometimes people just want to show off what they do. Some breeders show off their litters and don't even place pups outside their family and friends.

    As for verifying all the criteria, I think that gets into a realm where we're taking it just a little too seriously. Nobody needs to run credit checks and MVRs on the breeders to make sure they are who they say they are. Everything in the dog world is based on the honor system anyway. If I tell you that I attended a show last month where my dog got 2 legs on her UWP, do you need my SSN to know for sure, or would you be content accepting my word?
  7. bahamutt99

    bahamutt99 Stealth ninja

    Sorry for the DP, but I totally forgot to post my criteria. I personally think that as long as the breeder is actively competing with their dogs in some sport, and as long as they're not pushing their website to sell puppies here on the forum, I don't mind it at all. I would like to include mandatory health-testing, but I know there are lots of breeders who don't do it, so I'd hate to narrow it down to the one or two that do.

    Otherwise, just let people judge for themselves if that breeder is reputable. Make it a given that nobody who posts a breeder site is exempt from answering questions. And if they refuse to answer, they don't get to post their link.
  8. Zoe

    Zoe GRCH Dog

    Only way I'd like to see breeders posting there links up is if they are doing the full meal deal. FULLY health testing, showing AND working their dogs. :)
  9. DieselDawg

    DieselDawg Good Dog

    It is a slippery slope...you let one kennel post a link and all will post. I think you could let any kennel posts with the stipulation :

    If you post a Kennel Link and are found to EVER use it on this forum to sell pups, you will automatically be banned. Be very careful about crossing that line because once you cross it, we have no other options but to remove your account. Posting Rescues is always allowed as always.

    ...or something to that effect. I agree that most members here would not be in the BYB=Puppy Peddling Group and should be able to post links to their websites to show what they have accomplished.
  10. bahamutt99

    bahamutt99 Stealth ninja

    In fairness, I am on a mess of forums, and I haven't seen the slippery slope that is feared. Typically, the idiots get routed out quickly. I think that most of the forums I'm on allow breeder links but disallow peddling. I'd be in favor of an instant ban on people caught trying to sell pups, though.
  11. apbtmom76

    apbtmom76 Good Dog

    ok I am not a breeder but I agree about having ot meet certain criteria before being allowed to post the kennel link on here.
  12. DieselDawg

    DieselDawg Good Dog

    It would be hard (time consuming) to check out proper breeding crtiteria...just like papers, they could be fabricated...but posting links with the absolute penalty for peddling being a lifetime ban seems doable.
  13. CoolHandJean

    CoolHandJean Krypto Super Dog

    I wouldn't want them to make a special thread for it, but I see no problem with them having it in their info. on their profile or a little link (no bells and whistles) in their signature.

    JRSPITS Big Dog

    I think it should be ok to have a link. Maybe in the member's profile as opposed to a section on the forum. One of the reasons people don't go to a reputable breeder is they ARE hard to find. Making it easier would be a good thing.

    Maybe the link could only be viewable by members with a certain amount of posts. This way you weed out some ignorant/inexperienced buyers. Just because the link is there doesn't mean pups are for sale.
  15. DieselDawg

    DieselDawg Good Dog

    JRSPITS brings up something I didn't think about...we already have the ability to post pics in our "Albums"...maybe that is enuff.

    JRSPITS also hit a subject that I didn't think of...Good Breeders...if we don't even welcome ethical breeders to at least post a link...John or Jane Q. Public is going to Google "Pit Bulls for Sale" and we know what they will get...
  16. screamin'eagle

    screamin'eagle Good Dog

  17. bahamutt99

    bahamutt99 Stealth ninja

    Oh shush, it isn't that bad. ;)

    Again, though, I think we're taking it just a little too seriously. As said, much of the dog world is based on the honor system anyway.

    Fair enough.
  18. XXX

    XXX Good Dog

    I voted yes with conditions....

    Meaning I don't believe you should be allowed to advetise you have puppies for sale on the forum... but you should be able to have a link to a site where you might have puppies for sale. So basically.. no posting hey I have a litter of pups for sale... here's my website. But for those that want to share their dogs/peds and don't have a peds online account I feel they should be allowed.
  19. Vicki

    Vicki Administrator Administrator

    We kind of left you a little loop hole in the Today's APBT forum, under Breeder Discussion.

    To make the diiscussion more productive, the rule should be tweaked, however, there should be conditions.

    Anyone want to step up with the first rough draft?
  20. bahamutt99

    bahamutt99 Stealth ninja

    What about the suggestions I posted? Or do you mean specific conditions like X title, Y health test, Z litters a year, etc?

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