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Stress Relief Pills?

WithHope

Big Dog
Has anyone ever used stress relief pills for their dogs? Do any of them actually work? I've never used them before so have NO clue what to buy or even if any of them do they say. Candi is such a fear-based dog though, that I think it might do her well if we can find one that works, so that she can focus better in training without always being so afraid of everything (seriously, everything, if the wind blows, she barks at it.).

It's just who she is, nothing caused it. She's led a very pampered loved life since 2wks old. Her early temperament testing showed it would be an issue, but Boulder had it also, and he does very well now, only the intermittent issue, but he's workable, so I was super confident she'd be ok with time and training.

Her level of fear is WAY worse than Boulder's ever was, though. He was selectively fearful....she's just plain all out fearful. She's to a point that if I don't have her focused on a treat, cuddled in my lap, or napping somewhere, she is being a rowdy, aggressive little monster....beating up Boulder (although, yes, he has to let her for that to happen, but he does, oddly like he enjoys her roughing him up), barking at any random thing, marking/humping, and today, she pooped on my bed!....or when she's not actually trying to present herself as the big bad (30lb floppy eared) wolf, she shakes like a little leaf and runs like a deer. Tank's sister is a sweet, friendly blonde, radiates sunshine and smiles, yet you'd have thought she was the grim reaper if you saw Candi's reaction to her recently when she was visiting, just totally shivering.

With Boulder, I was able to simply eliminate most things he was afraid of and slowly reintroduce exposure to them while treating him. I can't possibly remove everything Candi is afraid of or it would just be me, Tank, Jadyne, and her in an empty room. She starts agility in March, but there's nothing around here until the spring. Meanwhile, it's just continuing simple training and NILIF, but even with that, like I said, anything can distract her and scare her (the door creaks, someone walks in the room, the neighbor's dog barks next door, the phone rings, etc). It's time for "doggy prozac" and I need suggestions!

We just got back from a two week vacation last week. My father was set up to stay here for the duration, all the dogs and Jadyne stay together, but a few days into our trip, he was in a major car accident, life-flighted, and plans B, C, and D had to be implemented for Jadyne and the dogs. Hope went to a friend's; Jadyne went with another family member; and Candi and Boulder stayed here with another friend who came in to stay until we returned. So not only were her humans gone for the first time in her life, but her mom was too. So of course, that took a fearful dog that and made it 10x worse. Tank's ready to kill me, lol, if I don't get her settled down. Any help is appreciated.
 

Beki

Good Dog
Premium Member
Few things come to mind
A calming collar
A thunder shirt
Bach flower remedies

Sorry to hear about your Dad. I hope all is well now.
 
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WithHope

Big Dog
Few things come to mind
A calming collar
A thunder shirt
Bach flower remedies

Sorry to hear about your Dad. I hope all is well now.
I've heard of the Bach flower remedy. It was one of the things that sparked the question. Can you tell me more about the collar and shirt? I'm not familiar with those. Thank you. Yes, he's on his way to a full recovery.


I've seen pretty good success with this stuff: Composure Bite-Sized Chews for Dogs by Vetri-Science

Increasing her exercise will also help.

Thanks for the product tip. I will definitely check them out. I agree more exercise will help. It is part of why I am putting her in agility. For now she's limited to racing around with Hope and Boulder outside, flirt pole, and walks. Any other ideas? She's not interested at all in our spring pole.
 
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CrazyK9

Good Dog
They sell calming collars at most pet stores. Its basically just aromatherapy. They make plugins too. Another alternative is buying the oils you want to use yourself and mixing them into a diluted spray. I actually did that with lavender, geranium and tea tree oils as a pest repellant. :)
I also love valerian root.

The only thing about these, though, is if a dog is really amped up it might not have any effect. I know I can and have fought off the effects on myself. It was only after I gave in to it that I could really feel it working. In other words its great for keeping the calm, not so great for inducing it lol. At least in my experience.

Best of luck. It sucks having a dog that is so scared of everything. Kat was awful when I got her and while she has overcome a LOT I still cant get her to not run and hide when theres rain.
 

Beret

Bullyflop
I've had some really good results using organic lavender oil on the collar in really stressful situations like trials etc.
 

Michele

Chi Super Dog
Administrator
Ask your vet about Valerian. It's a human herb that has a calming effect. A lot of herbs that we take, animals can also take.
 

GoingPostal

Good Dog
I bought one of those adaptil plugins, some canine calm spray and some pills, don't remember what kind they were. Bach's RR as well. I think the pills had some effect, the other stuff nothing noticeable. I was trying them on Nero who gets so amped up he can't think and behave, to get him manageable at the vet and also because we were transitioning him from his crate (which he loves) to being contained in the xpen, he's not really fearful in general, just easily stressed. My mom has a thundershirt for her dog who is scared of storms/loud noises, it helps him a little I guess. I gave her a calming collar I bought that was too small for my dog but not sure if she ever used it or the effect.
 

Poisoned

GRCH Dog
I don't have much advice, except do absolutely everything you can to put a stop to this now while she is young. I'd also find a very good behaviorist if you can afford that to help - if I could have afforded it with J when he was a pup, I would have. I now have 85lbs of fearful-reactive German Shepherd. Liliana talked with me a bit about working with him, and aside from neutering and really working on our trust, I'm going to ask my vet about medicating as well, so I'll let you know how that goes if I get that done first.

Also, with him, his insecurity eventually turned into resource guarding when he was three - I would suggest taking steps now to prevent that, a lot of dogs who are insecure in general can't help it.

Keep us updated!
 

WithHope

Big Dog
They sell calming collars at most pet stores. Its basically just aromatherapy. They make plugins too. Another alternative is buying the oils you want to use yourself and mixing them into a diluted spray. I actually did that with lavender, geranium and tea tree oils as a pest repellant. :)
I also love valerian root.

The only thing about these, though, is if a dog is really amped up it might not have any effect. I know I can and have fought off the effects on myself. It was only after I gave in to it that I could really feel it working. In other words its great for keeping the calm, not so great for inducing it lol. At least in my experience.

Best of luck. It sucks having a dog that is so scared of everything. Kat was awful when I got her and while she has overcome a LOT I still cant get her to not run and hide when theres rain.

Thanks for that. I hadn't even thought of oils. I have a "Calming the Child" essential oil that I use for the diffuser in my autistic daughter's bedroom. I already have it, so it's worth a shot. For kids, they say you can rub a little of the oil on their palms and feet for a deeper effect. I wonder if rubbing her paws with it would be ok? I'll make the spray today and start with that and see how that goes.

I've had some really good results using organic lavender oil on the collar in really stressful situations like trials etc.

Lavender oil is already sitting in my Amazon cart for my next order. Tank's aunt was raving about it on our recent vacation for the home, so I already planned to order some. I'll give it a go also for Candi.

Ask your vet about Valerian. It's a human herb that has a calming effect. A lot of herbs that we take, animals can also take.

I had friends in college that swore by things like valerian root and st. john's wort. Her next vet appt isn't until Jan. 21st when she gets spayed, so I'll give him a call and see what he says about.

I bought one of those adaptil plugins, some canine calm spray and some pills, don't remember what kind they were. Bach's RR as well. I think the pills had some effect, the other stuff nothing noticeable. I was trying them on Nero who gets so amped up he can't think and behave, to get him manageable at the vet and also because we were transitioning him from his crate (which he loves) to being contained in the xpen, he's not really fearful in general, just easily stressed. My mom has a thundershirt for her dog who is scared of storms/loud noises, it helps him a little I guess. I gave her a calming collar I bought that was too small for my dog but not sure if she ever used it or the effect.

Thank you, GoingPostal. This was a very helpful post. Thanks for telling me all that you tried and what worked and what didn't. You mention the pills had some effect but other stuff nothing noticeable. Do you recall what the pills were?

Also, we are ordering those chews that LilianaLove mentioned. They're only $21, so again, definitely worth a shot!
 

WithHope

Big Dog
I don't have much advice, except do absolutely everything you can to put a stop to this now while she is young. I'd also find a very good behaviorist if you can afford that to help - if I could have afforded it with J when he was a pup, I would have. I now have 85lbs of fearful-reactive German Shepherd. Liliana talked with me a bit about working with him, and aside from neutering and really working on our trust, I'm going to ask my vet about medicating as well, so I'll let you know how that goes if I get that done first.

Also, with him, his insecurity eventually turned into resource guarding when he was three - I would suggest taking steps now to prevent that, a lot of dogs who are insecure in general can't help it.

Keep us updated!

Sadly, there's not much around here for behaviorist help. Some rescues and animal welfare organizations offer volunteers for free behavioral help, and ironically, I'm one of those volunteers. >.< I know what I'd normally suggest for a fearful dog, which is why I felt so confident with her, but again, I even feel out of my league when it comes to Candi. I'm going to amp up her training, increase her exercise sessions, hopefully find some stress aids from this thread, and start her in agility classes as soon as they open back up, but in our area where even grocery stores and gas stations are 20miles apart, specialty care like animal behaviorists are minimal. If my efforts fail, I will have to (and I will) seek help from a Pittsburgh behaviorist. It'll be over an hr's drive each way, but I'll do what we need to in order to help her.

You are correct about the resource guarding. She is and always has been a guarder. We've been working on her with that from day one. Tank helps with that as well. If she think she can get away with it, she won't think twice of taking a toy off Boulder, she's the only one to growl when she's eating if she feels another dog will take her food (she is the reason we crate them separately to eat), she'll try to come in between Boulder and me or Hope and Frank. We have always corrected and redirected her, and we still treat her for calm responses. ...but guarding unfortunately I see an issue we will always need to remain vigilant with her. I think a lot of it is her genetics. Hope, although older and calmer and well-trained, would guard Tank in a moment if she was allowed. Even as trained as she is there are times we have to correct her for trying to come in between us. She also wants nothing to do with any toy unless someone else has it, then will take it, move it to somewhere the other dogs don't have access and leave it. If you can remember the videos, Coda and Harley (now Diesel and Zeus) and Athena would all growl and chase Boulder even as little 5wk old puppies over toys. My sister had Kaya (previously Lacey) here recently, and she is TERRIBLE with resource guarding, scary terrible to the point my sister and I had a talk on things she needs to do now to help that. Kaya too is well-trained, been in professional classes since she was 12wks old, but it's just an issue that all of us with pups in this litter seem to have to deal with and maybe lifelong.
 

GoingPostal

Good Dog
The pills I mentioned, I just checked, they are foster and smith brand, ultra calm. I gave all the dogs one before we hit the vet last time and it went really well, along with spray cheese for distraction.
 
Rescue Remedy for sure! Worked wonders on my rescue Lahso with major anxiety issues. Vet had him on doggy Prozac, bad side effects.
 

indelibledotink

Little Dog
thundershirt is a pressure wrap for dogs.

many times autistic kids are given a stretchy body sock that provides soothing pressure, have you expolored that option with yoru daughter? if not, you might want to bring it up with her treatment team. it was calming (mildly) on a kid i worked with, and fun.

my dog is less agitated by thunder or fireworks with the wrap on.

it doesn't hurt to try.
 

WithHope

Big Dog
Thanks GP and Rs for the recommendations. I've added them to the list. Tank is a great researcher when we look into new products, so I'm having him check out each of the things recommended. I'm so happy to hear that these pills/chews are working for others. I was a little skeptical when I saw them before.

thundershirt is a pressure wrap for dogs.

many times autistic kids are given a stretchy body sock that provides soothing pressure, have you expolored that option with yoru daughter? if not, you might want to bring it up with her treatment team. it was calming (mildly) on a kid i worked with, and fun.

my dog is less agitated by thunder or fireworks with the wrap on.

it doesn't hurt to try.

I've seen them, yes, and no she doesn't have one, but she does well with weighted things, like the weighted vest and weighted blanket. She had the swing that wrapped around her like that before. She's transferred to a hammock rope swing now in her room, that still wraps around her but not so enclosed. She adores that. Thanks for the comparison, though. I understand now what you mean with the thundershirt, and honestly, I think it would help Candi, since she always wants to be snuggled up or burrowing under the blankets next to me. Do you only wear them during storms? You could put it on her anytime she's going buggy right?
 

Cosmic Charlie

Good Dog
In this situation a benzodiazepine. Of course, I don't mean daily usage due to dangerous withdrawal symptoms of consecutive dosing (generally 15 days+). In the situation your in and the dog is confused at whats going on, your not home and the dog is very anxious I can't see anything really working the way a benzodiazepine will. Most likely the vet would prescribe some valium. Like I stated before I wouldn't get in the habit of benzodiazepines everytime the dog is anxious due to withdrawals and rebound anxiety after long term use and discontinuation. But, in situations like this I would absolutely use it. Good luck
 

WithHope

Big Dog
UPDATE:

I got Candi a Thundershirt last night, and I cannot say enough how much I friggin love that thing. She showed immediate improvement with it. Thank you, Beki, for suggesting that. Also, Candi received presents today in the mail from GoingPostal. She now has Ultra-Calm tabs, Canine Calm spray, and @Eaze liquid. Thanks so much for that! With the thundershirt and anti-stress remedies, I'm very hopeful we'll see huge improvements for her soon. :thankUsmiley:

 

GoingPostal

Good Dog
She's darling, I didn't know thundershirts even came in pink! Glad to hear you got the package and maybe something in there will help her.
 

Beki

Good Dog
Premium Member
Excellent! I'm so glad you found some things that help!
GP! Virtual hugs from me, that was so very sweet and thoughtful for you to do that!