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Discussion in 'Reptiles & Amphibians' started by Debbie, Oct 16, 2009.

  1. Vicki

    Vicki Administrator Administrator

    Largest turtle-linked salmonella outbreak detailed

    Wash your hands after touching these filthy creatures!

    Largest turtle-linked salmonella outbreak detailed

    By LINDSEY TANNER (AP) – 3 days ago

    CHICAGO — Two girls who swam with pet turtles in a backyard pool were among 107 people sickened in the largest salmonella outbreak blamed on turtles nationwide, researchers report.

    The 2007-08 outbreak involved mostly children in 34 states; one-third of all patients had to be hospitalized. In many cases, parents didn't know that turtles can carry salmonella.

    Despite a 1975 ban on selling small turtles as pets, they continue to be sold illegally.

    The American Veterinary Medical Association estimates that the number of pet turtles nationwide doubled from 950,000 in 1996 to almost 2 million in 2006.

    "It's very easy to think of turtles as being a very gentle and nice pet," but many carry salmonella, without showing any signs, said Julie Harris, a scientist at the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the report's lead author.

    Salmonella in turtle feces can end up on their shells and body, and can spread to people who handle them.

    An infected turtle can spread the same strain of salmonella to others during shipping, which may be how the outbreak occurred. Turtles involved were bought at pet shops, flea markets, from street vendors and online. The Food and Drug Administration contacted retailers involved and their investigation is ongoing, the report said.

    "Continued, collective efforts are needed, both on state and federal levels, to enforce the ban and protect public health," the report said. It appears in October's Pediatrics, released Monday.

    Authorities began investigating in September 2007 after a Union County, N.C., teen swam in her backyard pool with two pet turtles and a friend from South Carolina. Both girls developed bloody diarrhea, vomiting, fever and stomach cramps; one developed kidney failure and spent eight days in the hospital.

    Salmonella bacteria traced to those turtles matched salmonella later found in three other North Carolina children. Other cases turned up elsewhere, many involving direct contact with turtles, including children kissing turtles or putting them in their mouths, Harris said.

    Indirect contact likely also occurred, she said. For example, children playing with turtles at school may have brought the germs home and spread them to family members, Harris said.

    Illnesses from the same kind of salmonella turned up coast to coast through January 2008, including 12 people in California, 10 each in Pennsylvania and Texas, and nine in Illinois.

    No one died in the outbreak but many required several days of hospital treatment, Harris said.

    "Everyone from pediatricians to other public health professionals needs to really stress that reptiles and especially turtles are a source of salmonella infections," she said.

    The ban only affects turtles less than about 4 inches in diameter because of reports that young children had gotten sick after putting the small reptiles in their mouths.

    David Bergmire-Sweat, a North Carolina epidemiologist who investigated the Union County case, said he's heard of families letting turtles walk on kitchen surfaces where food is prepared, and babies being bathed in sinks where turtle cages are washed.

    Because the federal ban was enacted more than 30 years ago, "many people just don't remember," he said.

    Recent efforts to overturn the ban, backed by turtle farmers, have failed.

    Veterinarian Mark Mitchell, a University of Illinois zoological medicine professor, has been working with Louisiana turtle farmers in research aimed at raising salmonella-free turtles. Initial efforts involved cleansing turtle eggs with antibiotics, but that led to strains of antibiotic-resistant bacteria.

    Mitchell said now he's focusing on washing eggs in disinfectants similar to chlorine. He says the industry has been unfairly saddled with harsher restrictions than producers of human foods also blamed for recent salmonella outbreaks.
    On the Net:

    * Pediatrics: AAP - Journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics
    * CDC: CDC Features - Reptiles and Salmonella

    The Associated Press: Largest turtle-linked salmonella outbreak detailed
  2. Alma

    Alma GRCH Dog

    Do you know they carry salmonella bacteria? Which mean ANYTIME you handle them you have to wash your hands to avoid getting horribly sick.

    Just cause ya want something, doesnt mean you should have it. ;) If that were the case, I want a spider monkey damnit! [​IMG]
    Last edited by a moderator: Oct 22, 2009
  3. Laced Wit Game

    Laced Wit Game Good Dog

    hey paris hilton got a chimp. mike tyson got a tiger, MJ got a tiger,chimp,giraffe. lol

    all turtles have salmonella, its simple common sense to wash your hands after handling any reptiles amphibians or animals at that!
  4. Alma

    Alma GRCH Dog

    And Paris, Mike and MJ are such GREAT pet owners! :nono:

    Do as you wish LWG, just seems nutty to me. :dunno:
  5. Laced Wit Game

    Laced Wit Game Good Dog

    it is nutty, thats why i want it. i like exotic creatures! wait till my monster fish tank is done being built ill post pics of my 5 ft catfish!
  6. Debbie

    Debbie Good Dog

    Thanks Alma !! They are cute when they're little...like a lot of things. :D

    I did wash my hands after holding him.....;)
  7. Thomas

    Thomas Little Dog

    LWG...I will say it again...you DO NOT want one.

    That 'friend' I told you has one? That's ME. The little bastard is sitting in a fish tank on a coffee table in my living room as I type.

    The thing is S-T-I-N-K-Y...has to be one of the smelliest animals I have ever come in contact with. Definitely one of the meanest and he is only 4 months old.

    Ain't nothing cool about him...at least not in terms of being a pet. I have a lot of respect for him as a wild animal...but that is where he belongs.

    Probably taking him up to the quarry this weekend....where he will live like a king...far away from the road so no worries about getting hit by a car...and all the food he can eat.

  8. Deniselynn

    Deniselynn Banned

    Thomas, ICK!
  9. Thomas

    Thomas Little Dog

    :lol: He is a cool animal...just not an ideal pet. The only reason we ever took him in is my buddy walked in the door one day holding the little bastard in his hand. He had found him in his yard in town and we planned the whole time to relocate him to the quarry...plans just got delayed a bit. :D
  10. Deniselynn

    Deniselynn Banned

    That is a good way of putting it. No doubt certain animals are cool but they shouldn't be kept as pets.

    If you don't mind me asking, what does he smell like?
  11. Thomas

    Thomas Little Dog

    Can't even really describe it...just...funky...
  12. Galadriel

    Galadriel Good Dog

    Old, scummy, stagnate pond water :D
  13. Thomas

    Thomas Little Dog

    Actually...that about covers it :lol:
  14. Deniselynn

    Deniselynn Banned

  15. Laced Wit Game

    Laced Wit Game Good Dog

    is it legal to own a kamoto dragon?
  16. Galadriel

    Galadriel Good Dog

    Komodo...and no. Critically endangered. And you would have to be a total psychopath with a HUGE enclosure and several thousand dollars a year to spend on food, heating, and water filtration systems. The closest you're going to get is a salvador.
    Last edited by a moderator: Oct 23, 2009
  17. porcupine

    porcupine Puppy

    I wanna put a blue whale in my pool. :rolleyes:

    Dude, what's your point?
  18. Deniselynn

    Deniselynn Banned

  19. Gatorpit

    Gatorpit Good Dog

    You CAN get just about any animal you want with the proper permits.

    Most people shouldn't get anything more exotic than a hamster.

    IF you are willing to/capable of caring for an animal properly, I see no reason why one shouldn't have whatever they want.

    I've kept snappers before...they are one of my favorite turtles. Almost every single turtle on the planet (except musk turtles) get too big to keep in any size aqaurium.

    They need a pond.

    Most people fail to keep any turtle properly. If your turtle stinks...it's not being kept properly.

    Even a hatchling slider requires at minimum a heavily filtered 10 gallon tank, an 20 would be better. Imagine when that slider's 10 inches across...

    A lot of people brag that there pet turtle lived for a year or two. These things can live for over 60 years if well cared for.

    Most people can't even keep a goldfish alive for longer than a year, and think they've done a good job.

    I feel that most people are not knowledgeable enough or well enough equipped to handle even the simplest of exotic pets.

    But I also see no problem with those that are prepared keeping whatever the heck they want.

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