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Should the definition of GAMENESS be "REVISED"?

Discussion in 'Today's APBT' started by EDOGZ818, May 21, 2008.

  1. YES

    15 vote(s)
  2. NO

    41 vote(s)
  1. Marty

    Marty Big Dog

    Hands NcPrisonGuard a used can of troll spray...


    When you finish with it give it to purple, shes got bugs in her posts and it will work with them too ;)
  2. XXX

    XXX Good Dog

    Thats funny dogonit... truly.. Lets see.. I've never fought Angel, or encouraged her to fight.. or anything else... never trained her for much of anything... hell half the time she won't even sit when I tell her to unless I've got a treat.... But yet turn her loose near another dog and its on... Just goes to show what you know. The fight is IN these dogs from birth... might take a little longer to bloom in some than others... but it is naturally there you don't have to train for it.
  3. tat2stuff

    tat2stuff Good Dog

    ok everyone lets keep it clean and on topic please
  4. Grizzly

    Grizzly Little Dog

    AMEN and pass the plate, we'll buy these guys a spellcheck for their kumputur!!!!!!!!! :no2:
  5. Palamino

    Palamino Little Dog

    Colbydogs - Your opinion I understand and your point is made, loud and clear and I accept and respect your opinion.

    My opinion differs from yours though and I state catergorically that weight pull can test the theory of "determined and unyielding" but CANNOT, EVER, test the gameness of a bulldog.

    I dont want to debate Louis Colby, but in closing read what he says in his book about the gameness that the line was based on - the dogs that John Pritchard selected for his breeding programme had to be game and many died crossing the line on their final scratch in the box. Even the famous Galtie that John purchased was game tested before being used at stud - why? - because even though he had won matches, his gameness was in question.

    GAMENESS! The essence of a bulldog and has diddly squat to do with weight pulling!
  6. ColbyDogs

    ColbyDogs Big Dog

    Palamino I know WP is not the true definition of gameness I was merely pointing out the words of one of the oldest breeders stand on it and how it plays a small role in it. Gameness I do not think can be singled down to just one thing, there are a few things that go into the dog to prove its gameness and to create the total package.
  7. Palamino

    Palamino Little Dog

    Colbydogs - I'm with you. :)

    Thks for the pleasant response as well - I reread my reply and it is sharp, unintentional, but sharp nonetheless

    This is a very deep debate, much like religion or politics - it is also a much misunderstood topic that I am passionate about.
  8. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Staff Member Administrator

    For anyone who did not see this post........:)
  9. Miakoda

    Miakoda GRCH Dog

    First things first, k-nine. There is NO such breed of dog as a "pit bull." There are 4 main breeds classified as "pit bulls", a 5th one is often called a "pit bull" and in total there are over 20 breeds (& lets not count out the many more mixed breeds such as the American Bully) that are classified as "pit bulls" according to the general definition used by the general public and government officials. So, I don't know what kind of dogs you own: American Staffordshire Terriers, Staffordshire Bull Terriers, American Pit Bull Terriers, Bull Terriers, American Bulldogs, American Bullies.....the list goes on, but I'm pretty sure it's not what I own.

    Second thing. Gameness cannot be determined legally. You're missing the entire point of this whole thread. The definition of gameness is set in stone thus making the way to test for it illegal. Now, you can definitely test your dog's wind on the treadmill and his agility and mouth if your dog is a catch dog (but truth be told, "pit bulls" are NOT the best catch dogs out there as inherent dog aggression is a major factor as catch dogs MUST be able to work well in a pack and in that pack under extreme stress and excitement). All you are doing is substituting other words and their meanings for "gameness" and it's not right.

    To put it bluntly so you'll understand, in order to test your dog to see if he's game, you must fight him. But not just fight him, you must condition him and then match him against another APBT that is equal to or better than your own dog. You must challenge him within an inch of his life.....literally. And that my friend, is ILLEGAL.

    (and for all the gang-bangin street thugs reading this--getting your overweight slob of a dog to fight your friend's dog while you should be at school or work is NOT how dog matches were done. All you are doing is making an ass of yourself and speeding up the destruction of not just your dogs, but my dogs too. So don't worry about the police.....there won't be a damn thing left of you once I find you.)

    I'm still amazed at how many people only own these "pit bulls" for ego trips alone. It's all so they can own a dog they can call "game" and intimidate people with. Such a freaking shame.
    Last edited: Jul 21, 2008
  10. gonloco

    gonloco Little Dog

    Probably a couple of cops trying to bait someone into a back-alley cur fight.
  11. Grizzly

    Grizzly Little Dog

    Whoever takes the bait deserves what follows!
  12. XXX

    XXX Good Dog

    Thanks old man.. :) Seems like everyone needs a can of extra strength spray lately seems this board has been eat up with the trolls.

  13. Biggie's Dad

    Biggie's Dad Puppy

  14. I think the term "gameness" would mean tenacity and drive. They can have drive for anything from pulling, fetching, playing, agility, etc. Any sort of work. If the dog is driven to do the job, then that to me is gameness.
  15. Poisoned

    Poisoned GRCH Dog

    Holy old thread!

    Gameness is gameness, drive is drive.

    I wouldn't call a game dog a dog with drive, and I would call a dog with drive game - my German Shepherd has high drive, and he's as big of a cur as it gets! Not the same thing at all.
  16. DancesWithCurs

    DancesWithCurs Good Dog

    Holy thread necro, Batman!

    No, drive and gameness are not the same thing. They will never be the same thing. That's a huge misconception
  17. Kamdon

    Kamdon GRCH Dog

    Re: Should the definition of GAMENESS be "REVISED"?

    I agree 100%
  18. So gameness is willingness to fight? I've tried reading all of the replies on here but its mostly arguments. I get lost in all of the texts. How are they different? One is willing to keep going through a fight, even if its missing half of its face, and drive is willingness to do anything you ask.
    So drive must mean willing to do and gameness is the willingness to not stop?
  19. Kamdon

    Kamdon GRCH Dog

    Re: Should the definition of GAMENESS be "REVISED"?

    One is in reference to fighting and the other isn't.
  20. pookie!

    pookie! GRCH Dog

    NOPE! Dont like the term, get a new breed. Just like those people who think the "Pit" in APBT should be taken out. Get an AmStaff or something, geeze.

    Gameness or being game is not the same as, dog aggression, prey drive, any other kind of drive. Its gameness.

    Gameness is when you know you are losing, getting your ass handed to you and have been, you could never possibly win, yet you keep fighting you keep pushing, you dont give up and run away, even if you are injured and hurting you keep on.

    Anyone read the story of possibly the gamest scratch ever made (insert dog name, was its Solomon?), where it took the dog about two minutes to drag himself across the pit by his chin because his front legs were both busted, and he STILL had to be broke off the other dog.. Thats a game dog.

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