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Should the definition of GAMENESS be "REVISED"?

Discussion in 'Today's APBT' started by EDOGZ818, May 21, 2008.

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  1. YES

    15 vote(s)
    26.8%
  2. NO

    41 vote(s)
    73.2%
  1. EDOGZ818

    EDOGZ818 Big Dog

    Should the definition of GAMENESS be "REVISED"?

    Should the definition of Gameness be revised to fit the breeds current needs & uses?

    If yes , what should the definition be?
     
  2. DieselDawg

    DieselDawg Good Dog

    Depends...what do you think the definition is today? I think the basics are the same...a willingness to continue long after most would quit...never give up. I think the "activity" is not as important as the "outcome/performance" of that "activity".

    Basically saying you don't have to "roll" a dog to test if it is game or not.
     
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  3. fearlessknight

    fearlessknight Good Dog

    I think it should stay the same.....except, I do not agree with people running around hollering their dog is game, because it basically would be illegal to find out if it were, and if they did not "test" it then, they would be making a false statement.......

    You should not call it is not, or something you are uncertain about.

    Just the APBT and the bull breeds.they are what they are, they are not the same.
     
  4. EDOGZ818

    EDOGZ818 Big Dog

    I only know one definition of GAMENESS.

    Explain how GAMENESS can be legally tested.
     
  5. fearlessknight

    fearlessknight Good Dog

    I know this was not for me.....but ah well

    There is only ONE TRUE way to test gameness and it is illegal! ;) JMO
    If there were other ways, I believe the past would have done it that way as well, fact is they did not....
     
  6. tat2stuff

    tat2stuff Good Dog

    there is none...
     
  7. EDOGZ818

    EDOGZ818 Big Dog

    Diesal Dawg disagrees @ Tat2Stuff:

    He will explain.... I hope.:confused:
     
  8. fearlessknight

    fearlessknight Good Dog

    Explain what....I believe what he is saying is there is one way to test, and it is illegal!? :confused:

    Your question was....a legal way...
    his response...
    there is none!


    I am just assuming here....and you know what they say about that!?
     
  9. EDOGZ818

    EDOGZ818 Big Dog

    I read the opposite @ FK.

    His emphasis on "activity" & "roll" , so I am curious as to what other ways there are?

    Not quitting @ chess or video games isn't the same as not quitting in a fight , any more than , not quitting @ body building or modeling.
     
  10. fearlessknight

    fearlessknight Good Dog

    oh, I apologize, I thought you were referring to Tat.....I see what you are saying...I was talking about Tat! :blush:
     
  11. DieselDawg

    DieselDawg Good Dog

    I do not believe that "gameness" HAS to involve another dog in a "one on one" session. I know that goes against what most adhere too...but my contention is that "Gameness" in an APBT is the undying will to finish. These dogs were bred for more than just fighting...bull baiting for one. I am not talking about simple tasks like agility courses, bird retrival or even pulling nor am I even going to address innane responses like chess, video games, bodybuilding or modeling. "WORK" that our dogs were bred for that can cause bodily injury and/or death such as hoggin' do test the "gameness" of our breed.
     
  12. megschristina

    megschristina Moderator

    Well, how would one legally test for gameness.....my question is to Dieseldawg. I am on the fence still I guess. If we revise it, what would the revision be, and how would we test for the "new" gameness?

    EDIT:NVm...you posted before I got to it! I agree hog hunting is the closest thing we have to testing for gameness.
     
  13. EDOGZ818

    EDOGZ818 Big Dog

    Good Point @ Diesel Dawg.

    I'm glad you weren't refferring to "INNANE" tasks.

    Is hog hunting fair to the APBT?

    What is the difference between putting an APBT on a hog , that doesn't want to fight , and another APBT? ( Besides Legalities)

    Is it cruel to the hog or Bull?
     
  14. fearlessknight

    fearlessknight Good Dog

    It really is, but I personally do not believe it to be all it is cracked up to be. A hog is not an APBT.....
     
  15. tat2stuff

    tat2stuff Good Dog

    is diving into icy waters over and over fair to retrievers, pushing through brush and sticker bushes fair to hounds. This is their passion, their life, what they were bred and born to do.

    comparing a hog to another APBT is apples and oranges. Hogs are pests, they destroy crops, overpopulate and cause damage, much like rats. Hunting hogs is a necessity, the dogs catch them, the hunter dispatches them. Is it cruel to the hog, who gives a shit really, they're pests. Bull baiting makes no sense anymore, although they still do it in Afghanistan.

    I don't think hog hunting really proves gameness.
     
  16. Rai_77

    Rai_77 Good Dog

    Agree with you on this.
     
  17. fearlessknight

    fearlessknight Good Dog

    nIce post Tat...very well said.....that is what I was saying!
     
  18. BlueRose_Kennel

    BlueRose_Kennel Little Dog

    To me, the term "gameness" translates to dog aggressive (DA) which is a natural characteristic of the APBT (IMO). Not sure what the real definition is??:confused:
     
  19. tat2stuff

    tat2stuff Good Dog

    DA and gameness have nothing to do with each other
     
  20. fearlessknight

    fearlessknight Good Dog

    Not to get off topic here but.....DA does not mean gameness.....
    Any dog can be DA, but not have any game in them at all. ;)

    oopsy...tat beat me!
     

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