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Resisting the urge to say "game-bred"

Discussion in 'Today's APBT' started by xgarrettxvx, Oct 25, 2009.

  1. Tiffseagles

    Tiffseagles GRCH Dog Premium Member

    I'll let you look for that game JRT;)

    Again, if it's genetic, which is what's being suggested, then scientifically speaking there would be a very high probability of it not being limited to one breed because they share so much of the same genetics but because one breed is being tested for it and others aren't, then of course you'll only find game dogs in that one breed and if that one breed is being bred for that trait than it will have a higher rate of occurance. That doesn't mean it won't happen in any other breed just that the chances of it happening are greatly reduced.
     
  2. woody d

    woody d Big Dog

    not true, just like no breed has the nose of a bloodhound
     
  3. Tiffseagles

    Tiffseagles GRCH Dog Premium Member

    I've been reading some accounts of old matches, not many, and it seems like a lot of the dogs died during the match or shortly after, even after recieving treaqtment, so I guess I don't get that feeling.

    Again, how long does a dog have to go before it proves itself to be game?
     
  4. Laced Wit Game

    Laced Wit Game Good Dog

    so your telling me if i have a really fast running APBT and decided "hey i want to race him and breed him to another fast APBT" so i do so, and i selectively breed that dog for generations to be fast running, you saying they could have the same talent/potential as a greyhound? i doubt it!

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    thank you woody!
     
  5. woody d

    woody d Big Dog

    its not a time frame, its a mentality. definition of gameness imo: winning in your head, when youre losing in the box...do ya get it?
     
  6. Tiffseagles

    Tiffseagles GRCH Dog Premium Member

    The difference is you are talking about the accuity of an already present trait (all dogs smell but to different dgrees) and I'm talking about the presence of a trait altogether (kind of like having an extra toe).

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    Interesting. It's definitely something to think about.

    Unfortunately I have to go to bed. Gotta be up at 4 for work:mad:

    Hope you guys have a good night. I'll be back : )
     
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  7. woody d

    woody d Big Dog

    all dogs will fight too, just not at the APBTs level...its a matter of selective breeding for generations
     
  8. Lowlife

    Lowlife Big Dog

    What do you not understand that it is a "PIT bull"? All the traits that make the breed what it is/was were bred for/from the PIT.
     

  9. Ugh.. being a game dog meant scratching back under adverse conditions. a dog that was out front of it's opponent and scratches was to be expected.

    But when a dog was in the pit and he was even or behind, then you started to see the cream rise to the top. Then you'd start to evaluate the level of gameness; watching to see if he was slow or off like a rocket on release.., was he making eye contact with his opponent while in the corner.., was he staying in hold when punished or looking for an escape...

    There are levels to a dog:
    like dead game, and dumb game.. a novice might mistake the two, but a dogman knows that ability seperates them. a dumb game animal has no chance of winning, isn't hurting his opponent, and keeps going back for a killing. A dead game dog is still punishing,looking for holds, and swapping it out.
    It was up to the handler to know when was enough, no one wanted a dog to die. Leaving a dumb-game dog down to take a killing is inhumane.. But when he's still got the heart and hardware, a dead game dog would make you emotional..
     
  10. woody d

    woody d Big Dog

    there are levels to a dog...game, and cur. id bet a dog that isnt doin damage, but still scratchin back into a dog was more valuable than your post makes them sound. pick em up and live to fight another day. "dumb game" is a new one to me
     
  11. Zoe

    Zoe GRCH Dog

    Having back up frozen semen of dogs that have given some indication of being worth breeding, but are still in the process of being tested can be a way to avoid this scenario.

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    Ya... I've often also said that Scarling is down from ''perfomance lines''.
     
  12. Lowlife

    Lowlife Big Dog

    Woohoo go Zoe!
     
  13. mr.clueless

    mr.clueless Good Dog


    i havent looked at the whole thread so i might be missing something....but if you think " gameness " is reserved solely for apbt then im afraid your wrong........
    im sure you have plenty over your side but if not come over to england/ireland and look at the digging dogs like patterdales/lakies/jrt even some of the sporting staffords..........if your offering 100 for every game bred terrier you see you will be sleeping in a tent by next week :D

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    Gameness is like the water level in a jar......some so low you never see it....some so high it spills over the top..........any man who cannot make judgement on what " game " is for his dog shouldnt be trying to find it in the first place.
     
  14. Tiffseagles

    Tiffseagles GRCH Dog Premium Member

    So which came first, gameness or the APBT?
     
  15. mr.clueless

    mr.clueless Good Dog


    :confused: what a strange question..........gameness is not reserved solely for the apbt !!....gameness is seen in all walks of life not just fighting human or animal..............
     
  16. Tiffseagles

    Tiffseagles GRCH Dog Premium Member

    Exactly!
     
  17. xgarrettxvx

    xgarrettxvx Big Dog

    I'm with woody, it's either game or a cur.
     

  18. It's never that simple... but then, I'm not sure I explained it clearly either. Mr. Clueless summed it up nicely!

    A dumb-game dog (soft-mouth, no ability, but scratches all day), was called dumb-game because they had no sense of self-preservation, they were willing to take the killing with no chance of winning.
    Now Woody, you assume I meant these dogs had no value..not at all, I just meant they weren't well-rounded and needed something more added to them to produce a better dog.
    A deep game or dead game dog had all the right traits to be a great dog, it was the total package.. but sometimes it was going against a dog as good or better than itself. And men chose to leave them down, because they believed like the dog did, it really had a chance to come to the top and win. And sometimes the dog gave it's life trying to prove it.
     
  19. mr.clueless

    mr.clueless Good Dog


    i think you make some fair points although i would disagree with the above.....i would not necessarily call a dog who just kept scratching to his death " game "...most any dog can stand and get himself killed i wouldnt say that shows any gameness whatsoever and shows a dog with very little competetive edge.
    my belief is that a truly game dog always thinks he is winning and will always be trying to win no matter what the outcome
     
  20. Laced Wit Game

    Laced Wit Game Good Dog

    so your tellin me those patterdales and JRT's and whatever possess the same gameness as that of the APBT??? so that patterdale is willing to perform in the box for hours on end?? the patterdale could be within an inch of his life, but he'll still scratch everytime?? i dunno bout them dogs really but that statement alone sounds crazy to me. i have nou doubts that theyre extremely drivin in whatever job they do, but they werent bred for the box, and arent cut out for it. sure they might be "game" to go catch a sheep or rat or sumthin but they aint game as in G.A.M.E!!
     

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