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Redboy/Jeep new owner

Discussion in 'Introductions' started by kshoulde35, Jun 28, 2011.

  1. kshoulde35

    kshoulde35 Puppy

    Hello
    Well i am a 21 year old college student from alabama and I am new to the site. I have been raised around all types of dogs beagles, labs, pitbulls, and all sorts of animals. My uncle currently has a yard of redboy/jeep dogs and I told him that I wanted to get into owning a game dog. I have been trying to read as much information as possible about them. But I would like a little more info on the redboy line more specifically. Also if i were to get into breeding what would I need to see out of a particular dog before even considering for breeding. Also what are legal ways to test gameness? And how can I build merit if i were to start a kennel? What would make me a reputable breeder? Just any information that you could give me as a newbie would be greatly appreciated.
     
  2. Budboy88

    Budboy88 Good Dog

    There is no legal way to test gameness and if you have to ask these questions you shouldnt even talk about running a kennel. If your uncle was worth his weight in salt he would tell you the same thing.
     
  3. Pink

    Pink GRCH Dog

    Welcome to the forum!
     
  4. Stouthearted

    Stouthearted Puppy

    I don't think that's true. IMO you can test gameness through hunting, which is totally legal. In the case of pit bulls you can hunt them on wild boar, which would be a very real test of gameness. Gameness does not equal DA or dog matching.

    Audrey
     
  5. cliffdog

    cliffdog Good Dog

    That tests intensity, strength... but not gameness. Only a match based on a system of turns and scratches can test gameness IMO.
     
  6. Stouthearted

    Stouthearted Puppy

    Ya'll are using a very modified/recent definition of the word "game." The original meaning had nothing to do with dog fighting; it just had to do with determination to do a job in spite of injury or defeat. A dog that will face a wild boar even while injured is a game dog. A Greyhound that will run after a hare with a broken leg is a game dog. A terrier that will go after a badger in a den even with it's face torn off is a game dog.

    Audrey
     
  7. kshoulde35

    kshoulde35 Puppy

    LOL i expected to get bashed but yes my uncle does know alot about the dogs and Im sure he will help me I was just looking for jus more than one opinion. And i see gameness as the dogs drive and determination to finish a job. And budboy88 maybe I want to perserve the breed without getting involved in anything illegal I dont want to catch a vic.
     
  8. brindlexpitt

    brindlexpitt Derpidoo

    that definition is for overseas people.
     
  9. Stouthearted

    Stouthearted Puppy

    I disagree; lots of American houndsmen and terriermen use that definition, as it is the original definition used to describe any type of hunting or baiting dog, including bulldogs. IMO, it was only after bull- and other animal baiting became illegal, and dog fighting became the new bulldog sport, that the word "gameness" evolved to refer specifically to matching dogs. I don't really know why that happened since hare coursing and earthwork are still legal in many parts of the world and the gameness of hounds and terriers continues to be judged by those activities.

    Regardless of how a person feels about dogfighting, it is illegal in this country and lots of people aren't willing to risk getting involved in an activity that could land them in prison. There are ways to preserve gameness in the APBT without being involved in dog fighting, but unfortunately I think most people are either too narrow minded to realize it, or are unwilling to expend the time and energy it takes to hunt.
     
  10. cliffdog

    cliffdog Good Dog

    If dog matching dies the APBT will change, that's all there is to it. And if the APBT changes then it might as well die out. In the APBT, the only way to prove gameness is with a match based on the cajun rules... jmo. Just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't make them narrow-minded.
     
  11. kshoulde35

    kshoulde35 Puppy

    I think these will be great dogs for hog hunting, weight pulling, and an all around loyal dog for whatever i ask of him or her to do.
     
  12. Stouthearted

    Stouthearted Puppy

    All I said was that the one definition of "gameness" used in this thread by a few members (and on this board in general) is too narrow, and that anyone that believes that gameness can only be manifested in a dog fight is thinking too narrowmindedly.

    I agree that an end to dog matching would lead to a change in the gamebred dog, but I don't agree that such a change would be so significant that the APBT "might as well die out." The dogs from which the APBT were developed were originally bred to go after other animals, not each other. Those dogs were just as game as any good match dog, just as my Greyhound who coursed a hare even though her leg was broken is game.
     
  13. _unoriginal

    _unoriginal Cow Dog

    Welcome to PBC!

    I don't own APBTs and probably never will because I like my mixes, that's my thing.. But I might suggest that you educate yourself using the stickies that are already existing here on the forum.. I'd link you to useful ones but then I'd be linking the whole damn site.

    You're right in expecting to be bashed. But IMO if you stick it out and take the good with the bad.. And come here trying to LEARN and take in info that's given to you, you have a better shot at lasting. Accepting info that people say and doing tons of research to avoid being a BYB will help a lot. Also, please don't try to start a kennel while you're still in school. It's a lot of work (from what I've read, no experience, remember? Lol) and you need to be able to dedicate all of your time to your dogs.

    Hope you stick around.
     
  14. kshoulde35

    kshoulde35 Puppy

    Oh of course I'm going to stick around and Im not planning on starting one while im in school those questions were for future reference ive just been reading on here where ppl were thinkin about breeding their dogs and other members would tell them not to unless they are proven dogs. I was just wondering what their definition of a proven dog is since matching dogs is illegal. Im very new to this but Im not completely stupid I've never been this deep lets just put it like that. So any information i can get would be useful and Im not gonna come to the site pretending to know everything because I want to learn everything possible about this way.
     
  15. _unoriginal

    _unoriginal Cow Dog

    Ok I'm not trying to attack you at all. I'm not trying to say that you are anything I said in my post. I was just trying to say that THOSE are some of the things we come across people saying when they join the site. Please don't take what I said personally. It was not my intention to offend you. What I said were general statements. In your original post, you didn't make it clear that you were asking for distant future reference. I apologize if I offended you, it's sometimes hard to know what someone means on these types of forums.
     
  16. kshoulde35

    kshoulde35 Puppy

    Lol no offense taken im a very laid back person....
     
  17. cliffdog

    cliffdog Good Dog

    Yeah, well, you know that's just, like, uh, your opinion, man...
    I feel they'd essentially "die out" because they wouldn't really be APBTs anymore would they? But AmStaffs...
     
  18. Stouthearted

    Stouthearted Puppy

  19. crimsonghost

    crimsonghost Little Dog

    As much as I hate to say it. I have to agree with cliffdog. There is only one way to test for gameness, the rest is just play time. Lol
     
  20. Lee D

    Lee D Good Dog

    i will also say theres only one way to test gameness...and NOW im gonna say lets take this topic/questions to the board and keep this a 'welcome" thread
    (boo hissss booo)...i can hear ya all cussing me lol
     
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