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Re directed bite

Discussion in 'Training & Behavior' started by PatienceFlame, Nov 2, 2010.

  1. Jazzy

    Jazzy GRCH Dog

    Now that you know she has the potential to re-direct (until you work on it and address the issue); you can predict what situations may provoke a re-direction at this time. Therefore be very aware about not putting yourself physically in a situation where she has the opportunity to do that. For example keep a leash/lead on her if you can - that way if you have to physically move her when she is mentally engaged with another dog, you can do so safely by the lead. This way you can also reassure yourself that you will not be on the receiving end of a bite, and that you are in control of the situation (i.e what happens - preventing a bite) that way you can let the fear start to dissipate and think clearly about how to address the situation to modify her behavior in the long run.

    I can also see where some of this would come about with her maturing...feeling her oats and testing out the waters to see who really does call the shots.

    I wish you the best of luck with her. It sounds like you have already worked hard and put allot into her; so hopefully this will be one more hurdle you will both overcome.
     
  2. MJJean

    MJJean GRCH Dog

    Ok, so now you will need to be mindful of riley. She gets intense on something and you use whatever means at your disposal to break her concentration without touching her to prevent another incident. I would try some loud noise making device like an air horn or a really obnoxious penny can.

    I also think it would be a good idea to do NILIF (if you don't already or have been slacking a bit lately), work on training with her ( basic obedience or teach her new things) and basically behave like a drill sergeant because you certainly don't want her thinking she got away with anything. Maybe somewhere in her doggy brain she thinks she can intimidate you now to get what she wants. Might be best to make absolutely sure she knows you are the boss and not to be trifled with under any circumstances.
     
  3. ganja

    ganja Good Dog

    I ALWAYS keep in mind that my dog COULD redirect when in very high stress situations. IMO it's perfect normal canine behavior.

    however, your dog, your property, your choice..


    ---------- Post added at 01:17 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:13 PM ----------

    never mind... ignore my posts, I hadn't noticed the 2 other pages.. LOL

    anyways.. if she truely was out to bite you, I wouldn't keep that dog.. if she just redirected.. well that's what you risk owning dogs... they are animals after all.
     
  4. RuffMuttK9z

    RuffMuttK9z Little Dog

    Thank YOU!
     
  5. MsAcer

    MsAcer Good Dog

    If you want to give it another go, then make sure YOU are ready. Keep a collar and drag leash on when your at home with the dog. Start doing some obedience, praise for good stuff correct for bad, get all you ducks in a row.
    I would have a friend walk a dog across the street for practice when your ready.
     
  6. JakesMom5332

    JakesMom5332 Little Dog

    This is a hard call for me since I don't know the dog at all.
    I do know that Jake is prone to redirecting aggression, but it has always been towards the other dogs. He has never redirected towards a human at all. We have had a couple situations where we had to break up a fight with him. While he has never redirected towards a human, the dogs he was fighting did.

    The one thing we have going for us (I hope) is that we train and train and proof our dogs a lot, so that while he is zoned, we are still able to handle him. He is strong and a handful, but at least we can get hold of him and remove him from the situation.

    That said, I can assure you that if he did redirect towards a human, his days would be numbered. This is a very dangerous trait that could ultimately leave you liable depending on the situation.
     
  7. AmberL

    AmberL Good Dog

    Damn Megan,
    I know how much Riley means to you but honestly I would not want to wait for a next time. If she were mine she would be PTS....
     

  8. As someone that has a very domnate female that also is a house dog that is so domnate over all females in the house including me that she has literall pushed me out of my spot on the couch. I would like to give you some advice on this. She needs stickt rules. She does not get anything she wants unless she earns it including dinner. Make her sit, stay, and wait for the food and dont give her permisson to eat it unless you say so. Going out to play is the same make her sit at the door until you say its ok for her to go out. If she ever redirects on you don't give her a No and let it be give her a punishment. While postitive punishment works on some dogs there are very domnate dogs that the postitive just isnt going to cut it. I have ways of dealing with redirection but depending on the sitution they can be different and if you want advice on that you need to contact me. It can and will be a problem if you let it prosist and since she only got a verbal punishment she will probably try it again as she matures. Males are not really prone to this like females are and I have found that alot of female handlers have this problem with very dominate female dogs but most nip it in the butt as soon as it happens and never have a reoccurance. My female that thinks she is All MIghty in my house started off with basic redirection with another dog and it turned into yeah Im the alfa and with me Im like nope sorry girl your sooo wronggg. She is alot of work but she is worth it. She is a good dog but has to have very strickt rules in place and I have to work with her and be demanding of her every day. She can not be around other dogs and she only trys to be domnate over female humans mostly just me since I am the alfa of the house hold. She has never bit anyone but has nipped at me because I would not give her the attention and was ignoring her bad behavior. I can tell you right now she has never done that again!!! After that her strict route went into lock down. That dog doesnt even get to go outside to potty unless I say so. I can pour her food in her crate and she cant touch it until I say so. She doesnt get to go in any part of the house unless I say so and in the long run it has made her the most well predicted and one of the most well behavied dogs of my yard. If you start dominating over riley now and be the b**** you wont struggle to maintain her like I have mine but I will tell you that she will always be alot of work and it will be a every day chore its not something you can skip a day and move on or somethign you can let fly one time. Riley by what Ive heard of her in the past and her behavior now I will tell you that you have a strong very dominate alfa female on your hands and she will challenge you if you let her and she will continue to challenge all the female dogs in your house hold. If she hasnt been fully seperated from the pack including younger dogs. Then she needs to be right now. If you have any questions on how I turned around Dixie then give me a holler.
     
  9. bostonitis

    bostonitis Good Dog

    Yep! I had an american bulldog mix who was staying in a closet as his bed. He was sleeping with a rawhide and I went to move it because he looked uncomfortable...he woke up and bit me. I thought fair enough maybe he thought I was a dog...happened again and he was PTS. Hurts like hell but if you KNOW it isnt a one time thing it makes it easier. At the same time you dont want the second time to be a child either.

    After the first incident we went into lockdown. He was not allowed around anyone but myself and my husband. He wasnt allowed outside except to potty and on long walks where we avoided people. It is SO hard to put a dog down but honestly it may be best for the dog even though it hurts you :hug:
     
  10. MZBULLDOG

    MZBULLDOG Little Dog

    ditto
     
  11. Lotsapits

    Lotsapits Big Dog

    Having had a heart dog that I PTS I can feel your pain. Now having said that, I waited too long with Mikey. He was actively aggressive with food and toward being protective of me. He should have been PTS long before I did it.

    On another note, I have had redirect nippers that never developed any more than that.
    I had one that would turn around and nip at my thigh wanting to be turned loose from a leash when confronted with another dog. He was a super dog otherwise.

    I would sit back for a little while, gather my thoughts and really think this through. If she didn't break the skin, I doubt she really meant the bite.
     
  12. MsAcer

    MsAcer Good Dog

    This would be so much easier if we could see the dog in action :(

    Just be careful and keep us posted
     
  13. tealamutt

    tealamutt Little Dog

    IMO, no I would not put this dog down because of what happened. I think maybe you underestimated her level of excitement/flooding and her reaction was not entirely unpredictable. I am not faulting you, just giving you my take on it. It is an easy thing to do.

    But you are now terrified of her and there is no way you can go on owning a dog you are scared of. You must now make the decision to find a way to move beyond that fear, either with a trainer/behaviorist or some other method or you can chose not to move beyond the fear. If you decide you do not want to move past it you have another decision, to rehome her or put her down.
     

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