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Re directed bite

Discussion in 'Training & Behavior' started by PatienceFlame, Nov 2, 2010.

  1. PatienceFlame

    PatienceFlame Good Dog

    would you put down a dog (pitbull) who growled and went after your hand un provoked when they seen another dog? I feel unsafe now and I am wonering if I am doing the right thing........:(
     
  2. MZBULLDOG

    MZBULLDOG Little Dog

    Hmmmm, thats a tricky one. I've seen a few dogs to that at the Puke show we have here in NZ, serveral times. Sometimes they get a fright when you touch them when they are confronted with another dog.
     
  3. kady05

    kady05 Krypto Super Dog

    Can you elaborate on what happened a little more? That'll help me form my opinion.
     
  4. PatienceFlame

    PatienceFlame Good Dog

    I was always able to grab her and move her away from glaring at Peaches through the window and today she wasnt afraid she growled and swung around biting my fucking hand when I went to lead her away like ALWAYS. what more do you want me to say? the dog BIT me and was a few inches from braking skin. I don't want to be around a dog that bit me that way...one day she will snap and she WONT let go. I am not about to risk owning her when she is now labled imo a liability. what if there were a child around and she seen another dog and bit that kid?
     
  5. 4PawsK9Svcs

    4PawsK9Svcs Good Dog

    Redirection of aggression is common, especially in high-stress situations. Did the dog bite full force, or just a quick mouth grab?
    I had this happen to a foster APBT mix last year who was frightened of a Halloween decoration near his chainspot, and then a (stupid) friend touched him on the flank, so he whirled around and grabbed their arm. Now, this dog was nowhere near a stable family member (being a foster of pretty unknown background), and was on full fear-alert at the decoration (growling/barking, tail lowered and wagging slightly at the tip), so I understood this, and did not think to put him down because of it. He also did not draw blood, caused little more than a bruise and a slight scratch of the skin, it was more of a freaked-out warning mouth than a full-on bite. This dog was a huge 85lbs LEAN, so if he wanted to do actual damage, he very easily could have.
    I NEVER touch a dog when it is distracted, especially if there is any hint of aggression towards that distraction. Instead, a quick leash pop and a "hey you" normally work just fine in breaking the focus. Then simply turn around, walk the other way normally, and all should be well.
     
  6. PatienceFlame

    PatienceFlame Good Dog

    I have never owned an apbt that has ever re-directed on me and now I am horrifid of her. I just don't know what to do now. =/ there is nothing medically wrong with her either to cause her to do that but again the breed should NEVER bite anyone regardless imo
     
  7. MZBULLDOG

    MZBULLDOG Little Dog

    Good post 4paws, i have two K9 scars on my leg front Stage where he has snaped and let go straightway, was totally my fault though as i gave him a big push with my leg to make him move while he was dead to the world asleep. He knew he had done wrong
     
  8. bearxfoo

    bearxfoo Big Dog

    If the dog didn't break skin, I agree with what 4paws said. If a dog is stressed and upset, giving a warning bite is pretty common.
     
  9. Obed

    Obed Good Dog Premium Member

    I have an allergic reaction to being bit by a dog,,,, it makes me violent and murderous... any dog who bites me on purpose...dies....period.
     
  10. omgrobyn

    omgrobyn GRCH Dog

    Honestly, I think you may have just spooked her. I've learned not to touch my dogs when they're really focused on something, like the damn squirrels or the neighbor's stupid cats. They've never bit me, but I have had teeth clack really hard against my hand and a couple of small bruises.

    I mean, I know there's a high standard for APBTs and biting, redirecting etc, but, any dog can be paying more attention to something in front of it it wants, and get freaked out if startled, and that includes ABPTs, I mean, they're solid dogs, but they're not reaction less robots. If the dog went through with the bite, then I'd be worried.

    I find myself thinking of that episode of "It's Always Sunny" where Mac punches the tranny for sneaking up behind him.
     
  11. bearxfoo

    bearxfoo Big Dog

    Or videos when people walk up to houses at Halloween and that bush suddenly leaps at them and they punch the "bush" in the face? Those are priceless.
     
  12. Poisoned

    Poisoned GRCH Dog

    Did she actually BITE you? Meaning break skin?
    But I agree with with Robyn and 4Paws. Grabbing a dog who's zoned in and after something, tense, risks spooking the dog.. If it was an open-mouth just whipping around like "WTF are you doing!?" not a BITE, I would be lenient.. if she actually bit you I would not look at it the same.
     
  13. Jackson115

    Jackson115 Little Dog

    If you're going to be nervous around her from now on, there's no reason to keep her around. She will sense your fear and capitalize on it and walk all over you. You need to realize it was a reaction, not HA. We all have the same reactions...the DH jumped out at me from behind a door the other day and scared the shit outta me, my hand lashed out as a reflex. I don't see it as a reason for you to euth, but like I said, if you're going to be nervous of her now, it's just going to create a new problem in your house.
     
  14. PatienceFlame

    PatienceFlame Good Dog

    I tried the HEY, LEAVE IT. she ignored it. Im still not comfortable with her now in the house... :(
     
  15. 4PawsK9Svcs

    4PawsK9Svcs Good Dog

    I agree, if it's a dog I own myself. As much as I love MJ, if she suddenly turned and bit me, she'd be one dead dog...
     
  16. monkeys23

    monkeys23 GRCH Dog

    In this particular case I think that would be seriously crossing the line with me. IMO that is not okay, especially with this breed. My view is: why the hell would I pay to feed something that I can't trust 100%?


    See I'd have a problem with that. My dog and every dog we've ever had let us do anything to them. Hell I've seen my friend's dog have a small child plop onto his head when he was passed out and all he did was snore more. Not saying its right to let a kid do that, but I'm a big fan of having animals you can trust not to turn around and bite you, the owner.
     
  17. Jackson115

    Jackson115 Little Dog

    I personally don't feel a reflex bite and an all out knowing who you were and biting anyway bite are the same. I've got dogs that are masters of the zoning out action. I've never had them snap even when I'm trying to get them back to earth, but you're cautious nonetheless. Our Chi got a sandburr stuck in the roof of his mouth the other day. He nipped me and the DH both but that's because we had his mouth open, trying to get the burr out. A pain or reflex bite I don't feel are enough grounds for euthanization. JMO though.
     
  18. kady05

    kady05 Krypto Super Dog

    Sorry, I wasn't trying to be offensive or anything, just trying to get a little more info.

    I'm not sure what I'd do, based on the situation. It's hard to judge via the internet with a situation like that.

    But if you're not comfortable with her, and you don't think that'll subside in time, then PTS is probably the best option I guess.
     
  19. bearxfoo

    bearxfoo Big Dog

    I would maybe try to rehome her, since it wasn't exactly an actual HA bite. More of a reaction bite.
     
  20. 4PawsK9Svcs

    4PawsK9Svcs Good Dog

    In that case, a bite is a bite is a bite. The original post didn't have those details. PTS would be the best option, if you cannot find someone with enough experience and that is willing to take on a manbiter.
     

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