Raw vs. Kibble

[tracie2114]

It doesn't have to be the same length as a human's intestine to be able to digest plant material.

Dogs have a short digestive tract compared to herbivores, but they don't have as short a digestive tract as an obligate carnivore like a cat. Dogs probably have a digestive tract length comparable to that of humans. .

You said it not me... But I digress, and it's your prerogative to feed your dog what you want I am talking to a brick wall and I am tired of repeating myself, I know I am right so that's all that matter ;-)

 

[Stouthearted]

You said it not me... But I digress, and it's your prerogative to feed your dog what you want I am talking to a brick wall and I am tired of repeating myself, I know I am right so that's all that matter ;-)

The key word here is "comparable." I didn't say that canine guts are the exact same as human guts, just that its probably more comparable than it is to a cat, because are obligate carnivores and therefore have dietary needs that are much more different than those of dogs or humans.

Even if dog/human guts are not comparable in length, you are unwilling to accept the FACT that dogs can digest plant material, regardless of the length of their gut. They may not be able to digest or absorb as much from plant material as humans, but they can digest it and absorb nutrients from it.

 

[tracie2114]

The key word here is "comparable." I didn't say that canine guts are the exact same as human guts, just that its probably more comparable than it is to a cat, because are obligate carnivores and therefore have dietary needs that are much more different than those of dogs or humans.

Even if dog/human guts are not comparable in length, you are unwilling to accept the FACT that dogs can digest plant material, regardless of the length of their gut. They may not be able to digest or absorb as much from plant material as humans, but they can digest it and absorb nutrients from it.

FACT TAKEN FROM A CANINE ANATOMY BOOK "They can live without any vegetation (carbohydrates) but can also do fine with eating small amounts. They do not have the ability to break down cellulose so plant materials are not digested well, if at all."..let me repeat that one last time... NOT DIGESTED WELL, IF AT ALL... Enough said!

 

[atra]

My dog was on PMR for some time and didn't do her personal best. I was taken in by the fantastical theory that "dog's are wolves". I was taken in by the guilt of being a horrible "pet parent" (I'm not a pet parent I'm a dog owner). So I tried it.
Results were as follows (YESSS even after tweaking what needed tweaking): dry/brittle/uneven coat, much less energy, coughing/choking on bones, poop was never consistent (sometimes too dry and sometimes chocolate pudding), loss of personality, plenty more shedding then usual, sleeping more, little motivation to exercise/walk/jog, food guarding with other dogs.
To me it wasnt all it was cracked up to be. I know that it can be an effective dietary choice for some dogs but certainly not for all. I do believe that dogs can glean nutrition from carbohydrates/plant matter and I KNOW that dogs are not obligate carnivores.
This was my experience.
I am currently feeding Horizon Legacy with a frozen chicken quarter every second day (no not fed at the same time, fed approx 10 hours apart). She also gets canned Tripett, fish oil, vit e and occasionally apple cider vinegar.

 

[gigglymonkey12]

I don't know. I fed my dog carrots all pureed. It didn't come out the way it came in. In fact he DID digest it because his poop looks normal (only a different tinge of color...sorry gross). You say that dogs don't digest it well...if at all, but that's not what I see.

If that's the case then people wouldn't be able to feed their dog a vegan diet and have the dog thrive on it.

I do realize that a dog's digestive tract is different than ours, but I doubt it effects the way food is digested. I do know that a shorter tract allows the dog to eat raw meat and have a lower % of getting sick, but a digestive tract still does what it does best.

Each dog is different. Nothing is the best for every single dog. I wish there was a guide book telling me what to feed my dog, but that wouldn't work since my dog enjoys eating the occasional fruits/veggies (if I prepare it correctly). His poop still remains as nicely w/ fruits/veggies and his energy lvl is still out of this world. Muff thrives on the occasional veggies/fruits.

 

[tracie2114]

I don't know. I fed my dog carrots all pureed. It didn't come out the way it came in. In fact he DID digest it because his poop looks normal (only a different tinge of color...sorry gross). You say that dogs don't digest it well...if at all, but that's not what I see.

If that's the case then people wouldn't be able to feed their dog a vegan diet and have the dog thrive on it.

I do realize that a dog's digestive tract is different than ours, but I doubt it effects the way food is digested. I do know that a shorter tract allows the dog to eat raw meat and have a lower % of getting sick, but a digestive tract still does what it does best.

Each dog is different. Nothing is the best for every single dog. I wish there was a guide book telling me what to feed my dog, but that wouldn't work since my dog enjoys eating the occasional fruits/veggies (if I prepare it correctly). His poop still remains as nicely w/ fruits/veggies and his energy lvl is still out of this world. Muff thrives on the occasional veggies/fruits.

Fair enough ;-)

 

[cliffdog]

Pulling undigested grass out of my dog's ass every other day tells me that dogs aren't meant to digest plants. jmo.

 

[kady05]

^^ yeah.. or finding piles of it scattered about your house after Wilson goes on a grass binge. Gah.. stupid dog.

 

[Boogieman]

It's hilarious how so many people want to comment on kibble and how it's processed, blah blah blah. They have no idea whatsoever the science behind kibble. Only parroting what they've read or heard. No factual data at all to back any of their claims. There's so many raw feeders who think they are doing right by their dogs, but the dogs are missing out on so many nutrients, but hey they're eating raw lol. To do raw correctly it's not as simple as throwing a chicken quarter to them and that's that. Hey they're getting raw though right lol.

If you buy a quality kibble, with quality ingredients, your dog is getting everything it needs. You can try and talk down feeding kibble all you want, but my estimate, which is OBVIOUSLY not scientific, just my own dumbass opinion, 75% or more of the raw feeders out there are failing their dog as far as getting the dog the nutrients need. They change to raw and in a few weeks or months the dogs coat looks better. So obviously it must be great for the dog!!! LOL Raw is over rated. Sticking with a QUALITY kibble is where it's at IMO. Not because I'm too lazy to do raw, but with a QUALITY kibble your dog is guaranteed a balanced well rounded meal every day, every meal.

Brother and sister........Red Ryder is on Evo, Psycho-Billy is on Raw. I think Red looks as good or even better.

Red

Billy

Side by side comparison

 

[Beki]

It's hilarious how so many people want to comment on kibble and how it's processed, blah blah blah. They have no idea whatsoever the science behind kibble. Only parroting what they've read or heard. No factual data at all to back any of their claims. There's so many raw feeders who think they are doing right by their dogs, but the dogs are missing out on so many nutrients, but hey they're eating raw lol. To do raw correctly it's not as simple as throwing a chicken quarter to them and that's that. Hey they're getting raw though right lol.

If you buy a quality kibble, with quality ingredients, your dog is getting everything it needs. You can try and talk down feeding kibble all you want, but my estimate, which is OBVIOUSLY not scientific, just my own dumbass opinion, 75% or more of the raw feeders out there are failing their dog as far as getting the dog the nutrients need. They change to raw and in a few weeks or months the dogs coat looks better. So obviously it must be great for the dog!!! LOL Raw is over rated. Sticking with a QUALITY kibble is where it's at IMO. Not because I'm too lazy to do raw, but with a QUALITY kibble your dog is guaranteed a balanced well rounded meal every day, every meal.

Brother and sister........Red Ryder is on Evo, Psycho-Billy is on Raw. I think Red looks as good or even better.

Red

Billy

Side by side comparison

Thanks for the side by side comparison! I can see the difference. :hearts:Red!

 

[tracie2114]

It's hilarious how so many people want to comment on kibble and how it's processed, blah blah blah. They have no idea whatsoever the science behind kibble. Only parroting what they've read or heard. No factual data at all to back any of their claims. There's so many raw feeders who think they are doing right by their dogs, but the dogs are missing out on so many nutrients, but hey they're eating raw lol. To do raw correctly it's not as simple as throwing a chicken quarter to them and that's that. Hey they're getting raw though right lol.

If you buy a quality kibble, with quality ingredients, your dog is getting everything it needs. You can try and talk down feeding kibble all you want, but my estimate, which is OBVIOUSLY not scientific, just my own dumbass opinion, 75% or more of the raw feeders out there are failing their dog as far as getting the dog the nutrients need. They change to raw and in a few weeks or months the dogs coat looks better. So obviously it must be great for the dog!!! LOL Raw is over rated. Sticking with a QUALITY kibble is where it's at IMO. Not because I'm too lazy to do raw, but with a QUALITY kibble your dog is guaranteed a balanced well rounded meal every day, every meal.

Brother and sister........Red Ryder is on Evo, Psycho-Billy is on Raw. I think Red looks as good or even better.

Red

Billy

Side by side comparison

I think they are both adorable... Love their color

 

[gigglymonkey12]

I agree. I think that raw is overrated, but in a kinda good way (if you understand that). I think people who wants to feed raw should do more research and find out what other nutrients they should add for their dog.

Like I also said before some dogs do better on raw and some does better on kibble. It also depends hugely on the owner.

Btw gorgeous dogs. Love the color.

 

[tracie2114]

I agree. I think that raw is overrated, but in a kinda good way (if you understand that). I think people who wants to feed raw should do more research and find out what other nutrients they should add for their dog.

Like I also said before some dogs do better on raw and some does better on kibble. It also depends hugely on the owner.

Btw gorgeous dogs. Love the color.

Lol oh yes... And I am still reading and I keep rereading lol (and asking a gazillion questions to make sure I am doing everything right (still just starting)

 

[adjecyca]

I feed raw and kibble, dogs seem to be doing good with that.

 

[Joey&Zoey]

It doesn't get any simpler.
Why A Raw Diet is Just Plain Logical | Prey Model Raw

 

[tracie2114]

It doesn't get any simpler.
Why A Raw Diet is Just Plain Logical | Prey Model Raw

Yep, that's one of my "bibles" lol

 

[LilianaLove]

Pulling undigested grass out of my dog's ass every other day tells me that dogs aren't meant to digest plants. jmo.

Our mini poodle Kodi is actually on a 'vegan' diet (obviously not our first choice of food). But he has liver disease, and meat has very bad things in it for the liver. Dogs with liver disease do best on low-protein, vegetarian-based diets. He was on a home made diet for about a year, but it got to be too much to be cooking meals every other week, so we've switched to a 'vegan' kibble. He's done fantastically on both diets, his values are normal, and he'll live a long happy life.

Just saying. Dogs can digest fruits and vegetables just fine. Grass? No. But potatoes, sweet potatoes, blueberries, carrots, green beans, spinach, etc are all good and full of nutrients.

Here is the food he's currently on: ADULT DOG Vegan Garden Medley (4Lb)

 

[cliffdog]

They can digest it because it's had the crap processed out of it. People who fed their dogs BARF diets, homemade vegan diets, all grind the crap out of the vegetables/fruits/roots. Why? Because it's evident that dogs can't get nutrients from plant matter unless it's been "semi digested" first. Dogs don't have the necessary equipment to functionally break down plant cells. Being opportunists, a dog could probably live on a vegetarian diet that wasn't processed for a while. Not very long, probably, but a while. But I can live on a diet of ramen noodles, that doesn't mean that's what my digestive tract is optimized to process.

 

[Bunker]

I'm a raw feeder with about 80% of his diet being meat and the other is made up of berries, carrot, brown rice, slices of apple and banana.

He also gets fish oil and olive oil added to his diet.

He gets no grains like wheat, corn, etc.

Each to there own but this works for us and he is lean and very healthy.

 

[deezuhl]

I feed raw because i think there is more to it than a shiny coat or muscle tone.. From my research i like raw for the dental benefits.. the digestion process is better as it takes 20-30minutes for my dog to eat her meal not 5 min. The mental portion of feeding raw as well since she must trouble shoot the best way to destroy her whole chicken. I do agree though that your pet could be missing out on some extra nutrients by not eating some veggies but so far mine appears in great health. She has pearly white teeth, no skin or dog smell at all, poop 1/2 the size with less smell must count for something to prove it has advantages right??