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question on showing pup

Discussion in 'General Dog Discussions' started by dreece22, Jul 14, 2011.

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  1. brindlexpitt

    brindlexpitt Derpidoo

    oh. okay. i didnt know if you knew. sorry lol
  2. Boogieman

    Boogieman Good Dog Premium Member

    If you're so concerned about it, why not contact Hank, Amy, Patty, and Heather and voice your opinion instead of babble assing on a message board about it like that's going to change anything.
  3. dreece22

    dreece22 Puppy

    i reimbursed this woman for the money she had in the pups 26 bucks she doesnt try to make a buck of all you thinkin this is some kind of mutt bred by a backyard breeder and if you cant tell a dog is full blooded by lookin at it peds dont mean shit they aint always true anyway can lie on peds and papers i know people that register pits that have bull mastiff and am bulldog partially in them and most morons think they are full blooded my dogs mom is about 40-45 lbs and dad is about 50-55 lbs now all you people with massive ass "pits" are the ones who got scammed lol
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  4. kady05

    kady05 Krypto Super Dog

    Whoooa now. You're the one who asked the questions! We gave you honest answers. Without papers, you don't know if your dog is purebred or not, and you can't show in WP in ADBA without papers. And with a docked tail, your dog is unlikely to do well in any type of conformation event even if you do end up getting papers.. plain & simple.
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    JRSPITS Big Dog

    No problem, in between posts I'm packing for our first show this year so I'm excited and not typing complete thoughts lol.

    To the OP - its not even the lack of physical papers that people are concerned about, its about the fact that any reputable APBT breeder would NOT dock pups tails.
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  6. MJJean

    MJJean GRCH Dog

    Just curious, but why are you so hostile? Are you angry that you got a dog from a bad breeder? Look, the woman didn't make sure the litter could be registered with either the UKC or the ADBA. Then she showed she knows jack shit about the breed by docking their tails and buying some rumor BS about it preventing them from being fought. Now, do you honestly think a breeder like this is capable of putting the right 2 dogs together to produce pups that are able to compete in the show ring?

    No one said your dog was a mutt, but you can't prove its not because the shitty breeder you got it from didn't bother to make sure the parents were registered with the same registry so the litter could also be registered. And saying you'll show a pic is laughable. I know a LOT of Pit Bull mixes that look purebred but aren't.

    Not to mention that $26 into the pups is anther indicator the breeder sucks ass. Just to walk in to the vet office and have them looked at, dewormed, vaccinated and tail docked should have cost more than that. Unless she did the work herself, which would be ok if she had knowledge and experience, but she has shown she does not.

    INMO, the real problem with competing isn't that the dog has a docked tail or is unregistered. Its that if the owner of the pup didn't put in the minimal effort to go online and research the breed or find a reputable breeder, what are the odds he/she will put the effort into the dog to compete anyway?

    No reason not to enjoy the pup as a companion animal, though.
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  7. brindlexpitt

    brindlexpitt Derpidoo

    sorry if youre mad at us for calling out your breeder on her lies...

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    lol i do it all the time. good luck at the show!
  8. AmberL

    AmberL Good Dog

    wait........... you can't put an altered dog in WP with the ADBA?? Great:( I
  9. pitbullmomma28

    pitbullmomma28 Little Dog

    Since I'm too lazy to go further down on the thread I don't know if someone answered this yet, so sorry if someone did lol. Just like you can register an AKC dog to the UKC, you can register and ADBA dog to the UKC if you have proof of registration. You would be able to register in either or both the UKC and ADBA by showing proof of parents registration.
  10. brindlexpitt

    brindlexpitt Derpidoo

    UKC doesnt allow single registration anymore
  11. pitbullmomma28

    pitbullmomma28 Little Dog

    Ooops I hvn't tried to in a while, didn't notice they stopped allowing that. Thanks for correcting me :)
  12. CoolHandJean

    CoolHandJean Krypto Super Dog

    May not be able to register the dogs with the UKC, but they can still register the dog with the ADBA, and so, he should be able to do weight pull with the dog.
  13. shadowwolf

    shadowwolf Good Dog

    You are beyond hilarity at this point, Boogieman. You're grasping at straws once again in an attempt to discredit me and the only thing you're doing is making yourself out to look like the Internet bully you are. You're far from the big bad Boogieman in my eyes.

    Tri-State hosts all breed 'fun pulls' in conjunction with their sanctioned pulls at most of their shows, for example. Yes, there are few clubs doing it, but it doesn't mean it won't catch on as a way to draw in revenue for a club's survival. Secondly, we had our last fun show in June when the club decided against hosting a sanctioned show because we needed time to raise finances because the economy has been hard on a good many of the clubs with low attendance and what not. (Oh, I know, you'll say it's all my fault. That's quite fine with me, but I'm not the only one in the club and I wasn't the only one with a say in the matter - it's a group decision.)

    I do compete in ADBA sanctioned weight pull. Ryker does quite well at it and has placed in every single pull he's done (which total to 8 if the ribbons add up from the past year to present) and only didn't place in one, but he certainly wasn't the last dog - he just didn't make the cut of the top three and came in fouth (which may not be points, but is still a respectable placement when there were two dogs below him in his weight class - not that it means much to you since you think my dogs are crap). I also compete in AADR (where Ryker is a Pullmaster) and APA along with my 'fake titles' in UKC (which, if you bothered to read the rules would realize that for a dog to go beyond the two basic titles of UWP and UWPCH, the dog must place and beat dogs to obtain the UWPCHX and GRWPCH and GRWPC1).

    No, he doesn't do as well in ADBA conformation but I don't put as much worth in conformation titles as I do working titles. Why is that? Because I think leash candy is useless and if a dog can't pull it's weight (no pun intended) and compete in venues that aren't opinion-based and earned on their own merit then they're not true to breed standard for being a working and functional breed bred for the purpose of completing a task other than prancing around the ring. That being said, he's a Champion in the AADR and a Grand in the UKC, so he's had his fun and he'll get his last 20 points in ADBA whenever I bother to enter into it again. Not bad for a dog who only started in ADBA in 2008 and has done approximately 15-18 shows, though. ;)

    Now, Lyric is an ADBA Champion and it only took her a couple of years with the same limited showing as Ryker, so obviously you can't be attempting to insult her - especially when she finished her CH with a Best of Opposite. She, however, is leash candy for the moment since she's not found her call as a weight puller but is doing well in obedience and agility, so she earns her keep. Must be an error in thinking on your part that none of my dogs have Championships in the ADBA if you forgot her. :D

    And as for the Michigan club, we don't have anything set in stone since we don't have information on approved judges for the coming year's sanctioned show and the fun show has already been planned for April if you truly must know per our club meeting on July 9th. We'd love to have you there. You're always the talk of the town well after you leave.
  14. phillysmom

    phillysmom Good Dog

    May I just take a minute to say, Shadowwolf, I would be willing to take that little piece of leash candy off your hands anyday! She's a gorgeous little gal. I don't know but there is just something about that girl that just gets to me! Ryker is a handsome fella as well. I know my opinion don't count much, I'm no expert but I think you have some really nice animals. I've shown many friends and acquaintances pics of your dogs as examples of the APBT, as I think they are very nice.

    Sorry to go off subject, carry on.
  15. shadowwolf

    shadowwolf Good Dog

    Thank you VERY much. They may not be show stopping material in the eyes of all, but I love 'em and they're great ambassadors for the breed. I wouldn't trade 'em for the world (even if I do threaten to sell them to PeTA occasionally when they've driven me batty! Ha!).
  16. Leslie H

    Leslie H Good Dog

    In UKC weight pull, you get points passed on the % you pull, additional points for Most weight per pound and Most weight pulled.
    In ADBA, you get points based on class placement (regardless of if there are any other dogs in your class), and additional points for percentage 55# and under/over.
    So, you could, in theory, get a title on a dog in either venue w/out ever beating another dog.

    I'm not sure the OP can register her dog. Definitely not w/UKC. Will ADBA recognize a pup if it isn't papered, or would it need the parents both to be ADBA registered before the pup is eligible?
  17. heartbullies

    heartbullies Puppy

    I like the phrase "leash candy;" I suppose the working Border Collie felt similarly about all the show-ring dogs when they coined "Barbie Collies."

    To the OP: well, there's no going back now. You have your pup and love your pup. Take good care of him, and when he is physically mature, you can x-ray his hips to make sure he doesn't have dysplasia, especially since his parents and parents' parents probably were not health tested nor competition dogs. If he is of sound body and you both enjoy it, you can then neuter him to compete in weight pull with the UKC and APA. Some people may prefer other venues, but your dog won't know the politics.

    You can also get limited registration with the AKC once he is neutered, and while he may not even be an AKC breed, at least around here they have a TON more events than the UKC. Obedience, Rally, Agility, all kinds of stuff. You can also register with NACSW and do nosework competitions. You also can get him a TDI certification and do Therapy Dog visits with him.

    Where there is a will, there's a way, and just because the breeder wasn't ethical shouldn't stop you from enjoying and competing with your dog. The only thing you won't be able to do with a dog that has no papers is do the show ring stuff, but beauty contests aren't the end-all be-all of having an awesome dog.
  18. ganja

    ganja Good Dog

    how you can even deny you got your dog from a shitty breeder is quite funny..

    you have an apbt with a docked tail to prevent it from being used for fighting.. what more evidence do you need really?
  19. Boogieman

    Boogieman Good Dog Premium Member

    My replies are in red ;)
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  20. The OP's statements do not compute. They say they don't care about the breed standard, yet they want to show and want to talk about the parents weights which apparently makes them more pure than other people's dogs (?). Did you want to show before you got the dog? Or was it an afterthought? Are you intending to show seriously, or just as something to kill time and have fun? Because to show in conformation, not to just fill classes or grabass around, is the very definition of caring about the breed standard.
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