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question on showing pup

Discussion in 'General Dog Discussions' started by dreece22, Jul 14, 2011.

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  1. dreece22

    dreece22 Puppy

    just got a new apbt pup. my pups parents are registered one ukc the other adba can i get my pup registered if so can i show and pull an apbt if it has a docked tail owner says she docks all her puppies tails to ensure that the buyers arent purchasin dogs to fight any advice would be appreciated
  2. Krista

    Krista Krypto Super Dog Staff Member Super Moderator

    Not sure if you can show an APBT with a docked tail.. it's not in the breed standard though to dock their tails.. as far as I know responsible APBT breeders don't dock their tails.
  3. brindlexpitt

    brindlexpitt Derpidoo

    i think you got seriously scammed. lol
  4. destinoscelgo

    destinoscelgo Good Dog

    I've never heard of docking tails even being standard for fighting dogs...maybe I'm wrong? I believe thats also why they say cropping ears doesnt have anything to do with dog fighting either...but I could be wrong like I said.
  5. ReleaseTheHounds

    ReleaseTheHounds Little Dog

    All that woman did was probably ruin your chances of being able to show the dogs.

    Here is a hint, if a dog has a tail or not has no bearing on its fighting ability or the ability of its owner to use it for fighting.

    Perfect example for you - most fighting APBT do not have docked tails, but there is a dogman overseas who is very well known for breeding match (fighting) dogs and his signature way of marking all his dogs as being from his lines is to crop the tails. Seeing as he has multiple dogs that have made champion and grand champion status in fights I would say that sort of blows your breeder's "theory" that docking the tails will prevent them from being fought right out of the water.
  6. Krista

    Krista Krypto Super Dog Staff Member Super Moderator

    Cropping ears is for cosmetic reasons because the owner wants them done, not to prevent dog fighting or whatever and some doing it for showing but there are a lot of people that crop their APBTs ears because it's just their preference. :) But you don't see APBT breeders docking their dog's tails. I think maybe the OP got screwed for wanting to show in conformation by the breeder docking the pup's tail. I am sure you can weight-pull with your dog and do fun shows, but I am honestly not sure about conformation. :)
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  7. kady05

    kady05 Krypto Super Dog

    Oh my word.. I hope you didn't pay a lot for the puppy!

    First of all, you should've received papers the register your pup when you picked up the dog.

    Second, APBT's aren't supposed to have docked tails, per the standard, so I wouldn't waste my time trying to show in conformation. WP and anything else, go for it.
  8. ReneeMcDougal

    ReneeMcDougal Good Dog

    My mother in law keeps telling me I should have had Slayers tail docked because "its a damn good weapon". So frustrating. I wish she could read this because for some reason she thinks my pit is the only one that doesnt have a docked tail regardless of what I tell her about it not being normal.
  9. brindlexpitt

    brindlexpitt Derpidoo

    i dont even understand where people got the tail docking from.
  10. BethBurgess2007

    BethBurgess2007 Little Dog

    You can register your pup with ADBA possibly, if you can get copies of papers from breeder, and fill out a SDR form. Unfortunately, I have heard a lot of amatuers say that about tail docking preventing dogfighting. ;'(
    Some idiots say that "dogfighters do not want docked tails, because it ruins the dogs balance for fighting"...too strange. IMO, It would be extremely hard to finish a dog ADBA or UKC without a tail, but not completely impossible. Too much time and money....

    Honestly, it sound like the "breeder" to your pup was a newbie or uneducated. Especially since she/he did not take the effort to at least dual register one of the parents, so the litter could be registered.
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  11. Zoe

    Zoe GRCH Dog

    Just when you thought you've heard it all.....
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  12. pitbullmomma28

    pitbullmomma28 Little Dog

    You cannot conformation show a APBT with a docked tail, that's a disqualifying fault. You can weight pull with one however, if the parents are from different registries you can get it registered, but you would need to talk to the people in the registry and have proof of the parents registration to have it registered.
  13. brindlexpitt

    brindlexpitt Derpidoo

    dont need reg papers to wp
  14. CelticKarma

    CelticKarma Good Dog

    Sad truly sad....

    First off the breeder did not even have the paperwork lined up for the breeding to be registered. The breeder would have to register the litter with one or the other or both. I am not sure how you would go about having a pup registered if the litter is not registered, if the litter is not registered then you did not get a registration transfer of ownership from the breeder, but of course you didn't because the parents are registered with two different registries.

    Did they happen to tell you the blood lines of the pups and or the blood lines of the parents?

    Docking this tail is a disqualifying fault as mentioned, you could weight pull....I honestly hope this dog was given to you....if you paid ever 25.00 for it you paid too much if you were looking to show. Please do some research next time. Welcome to the forum, good luck and let us know what you find out about getting the pup registered
  15. Boogieman

    Boogieman Good Dog Premium Member

    You purchased your dog from a complete idiot.

    ---------- Post added at 07:47 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:46 PM ----------

    Yes you do if you want to compete in sanctioned events.
  16. shadowwolf

    shadowwolf Good Dog

    To the OP: You can't compete in conformation with a docked tail, unfortunately. It's a shame you got scammed too.

    No you don't. The APA doesn't require papers on the dog for weight pull. The UKC offers a Limited Privilege (LP) program for altered dogs (with or without paperwork) for performance events. The AADR has a performance something or other for dogs to compete in weight pull (not sure about treadmill races though...). The only one not on board with that yet is the ADBA.
  17. brindlexpitt

    brindlexpitt Derpidoo

    thank you for posting faster than me shadowwolf LOL :)
  18. Boogieman

    Boogieman Good Dog Premium Member

    Sorry I should clarify I compete in the ADBA. I wouldn't waste my time going to a UKC show. I didn't see where the OP said they were wanting to compete in LP type events. When they say they wanted to weight pull, I could only assume they mean for real.
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  19. shadowwolf

    shadowwolf Good Dog

    No problem! I've got a friend who pulled in the UKC with a heaven knows what mongrel as an AMBOR (mixed breed) and the dog was nice. Last I'd heard she was going to do APA possibly too. Oh! I almost forgot...IWPA. That's another pulling organization that doesn't require papers.

    And it's a crying shame ADBA won't jump on board and allow all breed/altered weight pulling. They're losing out on a LOT of revenue.
  20. brindlexpitt

    brindlexpitt Derpidoo

    yes, the IWPA is what alot of my friends use.. they seem to like it.
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