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Discussion in 'American Bully' started by bluestark, Mar 27, 2009.

  1. bluestark

    bluestark American Bully Moderator

    I went to a "bully show" in atlanta, ga. last weekend. The ABKC hosted it, I saw ambullies, and APBT there. I talked to a few kennels and this was their response to my question

    Me: How do you get these short ambullies?
    Them: Most of the time it is the blood, but here's the catch.
    Them: Take two runts from two different litters, given ones a boy and ones a girl. Breed them together, take the runt out of this litter which is small, and breed back to father or mother (of beginnings runts) and then take that runt out of that litter and do it all over. Is this wrong or are they telling the truth?
    If it is true would that not be unhealthy, but even then some of the runts turn out to be your biggest dogs, or so I have seen.
    What am I missing here?
    thanks,
    Blue Star K
     
  2. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    Sure, there will always be unhealthy individuals and there will always be dogs that are too tall for them. But if you breed enough (and they do) and they keep on SELECTING for the short, wide, short-muzzled, short-legged dogs (many of which are dwarfs) and then breed just THOSE, yes, the TENDENCY will be to get MORE of what you SELECT for....

    It's the same thing breeders on the other end of the spectrum do. They select for longer-legged, more moderate dogs and and breed just THEM. THEY don't breed the ones that the "bully" people would breed, so breeders on the other end TEND to get the more moderate dogs.

    It's all about SELECTION.

    Carla
     
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  3. Patch O' Pits

    Patch O' Pits Good Dog

    To add to what sagebrush just posted...

    Just because a dog is a runt doesn't mean the limbs or other body parts will be disproportionate on the dog.

    There are conditions/ genetic disorders like achrondoplasia which seem to come into play in some of the dogs I've seen.

    http://www.dogstuff.info/dwarfism_part_three_lanting.html
     
  4. bluestark

    bluestark American Bully Moderator

    thanks, that clears it up a lot. but i still dont get why people do that. It is like they are trying to be god.
     
  5. Boogieman

    Boogieman Guest

    It's all a bunch of bullshit lies to cover up the fact they mixed in old english bulldog blood to get that look. NO.....LET ME REPEAT....NO APBT breeding of "runts" will EVER....LET ME REPEAT.....EVER get the short, wide, bowlegged look of todays american bully!

    This is an example of a true APBT that is a dwarf. It is a dog off Caldwells Dragon who is a direct son of Crenshaw's Gator. Definitely APBT to the core.

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    Now if you think that is the same thing as the "famous" american bully juan gotti then I got some oceanfront property in AZ I'll sell you.

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    Don't be fooled by the lies and the BS. Don't listen to people who know nothing about dwarfism either. It is a true oddity of nature and doesn't occur very often. There are 2 of the dwarf dogs that exist that his owner knows of. I know him and we actually talked about it at the Texas show.

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  6. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    Normally, it is. It occurs in Norwegian Elkhounds and Malamutes (and THEIR breed club has quite a program to test for and find the dogs that carry it) and other breeds. It is "set" in and is what makes the Basset Hound a Basset Hound (they are a dwarf hound).

    Normally, yes, it is a rarity and most breeders are horrified when they get them and see that they are never bred.

    BUT, in the "bully" case, they have taken the "rare" dwarf, bred on them like crazy and now, in the "bully" world, they are not that rare...

    Carla
     
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  7. pitchik

    pitchik Good Dog

    "Take the two runts" Isnt that funny. I have always been a sucker for the runt and 9 times out of 10 the runt has grown to be the biggest if not the most appropriate dog of the litter! Runt dont mean anything.

    They take the dogs that have stunted growht whether due to dwarfism of mixed with something else, and breed them over and over using the same process.
     
  8. Boogieman

    Boogieman Guest

    Bullies are not a product of dwarfism!!!!! They are a product of mixing breeds together for the desired look they are trying to obtain. It is NOT dwarfism that got the look they have! It is NOT breeding runts together to get the look they have! It IS breeding different breeds together that has obtained the look they now have.

     
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  9. MichelleD

    MichelleD Big Dog

    Our dog Tyson,(black lab) (RIP) was the runt of the litter, and his littermates all were about 60 pounds or so and he grew up to be in excess of 125 lbs. That's a whole lotta runt.
     
  10. buddysmom

    buddysmom Good Dog

    Don't know much about this ... all I can say in response to the OP is, to me it also seems like inbreeding/linebreeding is a bad practice to begin with.

    Yes I know in the animal kingdom incest is not taboo but we see (in fact on a regular basis) the awful effect it has on human offspring, and we see problems also in domesticated animal lines where it has been done (or at least where it has been overdone) ...

    It just seems to me like an ill conceived and dangerous shortcut ...

    But then again I am not a dog breeder.
     
  11. Mollie's Nana

    Mollie's Nana Krypto Super Dog Staff Member Super Moderator

    :ummm: I am speechless!
     
  12. andy88

    andy88 Puppy

    this is a bully friendly forum isnt.i thought this was for postive info on am bullies
     
  13. buddysmom

    buddysmom Good Dog

    It should be. It started in the Debates section and was moved.

    Regardless, I thought it was against forum rules to disparage any other member's dog(s) no matter what section it is in :confused:
     
  14. andy88

    andy88 Puppy

    unity

    youknow i just watched the dave wilson video. he talked how all the people from different backgrounds got along so good at the shows. he said the word UNITY, thats what we need here.thats what we need in this forum.we need people2 RESPECT each other and 2 have UNITY 4 the BULLY breeds.
     
  15. Boogieman

    Boogieman Guest

    Sure it's bully friendly. Why is it just because somebody disagrees with a post all of a sudden it's unfriendly? Spewing lies is what true APBT owner/lovers/fanciers get pissed off about. To each their own. Feed what you will. I have NO problem with that.

    I didn't disparage anybody's dogs. If calling them American Bullies is disparaging, well then I'm sorry. I didn't breed them. I'm sure not going to stand by and let somebody spew garbage that American Bullies came from selective breeding of dwarf APBT's either. That is complete and utter bullshit and everybody knows it.

    Good for Dave. I am not out to divide and conquer. The truth is the truth though. American Bullies were no more created from dwarf APBT's than I was. For ANYBODY to believe such nonsense is ludicrous! You don't need a degree in genetics to SEEEEEEEEE for yourself it's a load of crap. I know some bully breeders. I have no problems with them. They call their dogs what they are and don't ride off the name American Pit Bull Terrier. I guess I should inform them their dogs are dwarfs though. :no2:

    NONSENSE I SAY..........NONSENSE!
     
  16. screamin'eagle

    screamin'eagle Good Dog

    I'm with Boogieman.

    1) Dave Wilson already admitted he mixed bred dogs to create his Razor's Edge line. 2) With successive generations the other breed influence is becoming more evident.
    3) The line that the OP was given at the show was BS

    Why would anyone be offended at calling American Bullies what they are? They are not American Pit Bull Terrierss, and were not being bashed ini this thread.
     
  17. buddysmom

    buddysmom Good Dog

    There was something about someone trying to pass their dogs off as APBT's when they are "just" Am. Bullies ... but I see that was removed.

    I think if anyone says someone's dog is just this or that, that is disparaging.
     
  18. Arrowhead

    Arrowhead Good Dog

    Yes Dave Wilson said he mixed in other breeds, but then he said he was misquoted. Who the hell knows what's true as far as what he said. May have been true he said it, may have been true he was misquoted. As I've stated before, wouldn't be the first time someone was misquoted and wouldn't be the first time someone lied. It seems American Bullies are surrounded by bs in general anyway. At any rate, it's obvious that other breeds have been mixed in to create today's AmBullies. Could some dogs with achondroplasia dwarfism have been bred? I guess it's possible.
     
  19. nwbully

    nwbully Little Dog

    I know my dogs sire is part bulldog. If you can't look at alot of bullies and see the bulldog traits you're either blind or in denial. I know theres bulldogs in my dogs. Thats the look i like though.
     
  20. maui's moku

    maui's moku Little Dog

    So I am to understand ....apbt's were dropped from heaven as a gift from god? Where do you think they came from A BULLDOG and a TERRIER.Sorry if in this day and age we cant make a new breed??im sure apbt also rode someones coat tail for a time before they were recognized as a breed. Its obvious they are different, I'm sure soon they will be seperated from having to be registerd as apbt, but not soon enough to ruin what damage has already been done. WE ARE ALL DINGO'S
     

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