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Discussion in 'Introductions' started by kristinmannino, Oct 22, 2017.

  1. Hi I'm Kristin I am looking to adopt the most amazing animal I have ever laid eyes on. I've been volunteering at my local animal shelter a few times a month for the last 3 years. I've interacted and loved on so many beautiful pups in my time there, and have never had an issue with getting too attached to any of the dogs. HOWEVER, today I was walking around the shelter when I saw Sinatra. He is a year old black and white Pitbull Terrier mix although he is predominantly pitbull. He was sitting in the corner of the cage, giving me the textbook definition of puppy dog eyes. Me and my boyfriend decided to take him out for a few hours(the shelter lets volunteers take the dogs out to run out some pent up energy). As soon as he was out of the kennel he was a different dog. He gave me the BIGGEST bear hug. And I felt something inside me that I can't really explain. Something just clicked as soon as he hugged me. The whole car ride was filled with big old sloppy kisses from Sinatra. We learned that if you made the kissy sound, he'll drop whatever he's doing to lick your whole face. We tested this theory when he finally laid down and my boyfriend made the sound from the driver seat. Sinatra shot up and was quick to action licking his entire face making sure not to miss a spot. When we got to the trails he was a dream on the leash. Those hours we were out with him were spent adventuring some hiking trails together. Him a few steps in front of us, occasionally checking to make sure we were still there every few feet. He loves other dogs and people alike with his huge heart. The minutes ticked on as we adventured together and with every passing second my heart grew with so much love for this big bear. Soon it was time for us to go back to the shelter and it pained me to give him back. As soon as the leash left my hand the tears started flowing. My heart was so full of love for him. I have had two family dogs in my life but the way this big old slobbery, excitable, curious, lovable boy looked at me, I felt it in my heart I can't even explain the connection I feel with him. So here is where the problem lies. I am in my third year of college, living with my cousin in a two bedroom apartment(which allows pitbulls). I am financially able to care for him as well as have a flexible school and work schedule with more than enough time to take him out during the day. I would never EVER picture myself in this situation I have always believed that having a dog in college was not very realistic ESPECIALLY in an apartment. However life is strange and I believe this amazing dog was placed in my life for a reason. Thank you for reading feedback, advice, or any helpful tips for moving forward would be very appreciated
  2. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Staff Member Administrator

    Welcome to the forum.
    Have your talked to your cousin about this? As long as you and your cousin are on the same page regarding the dog (exercising, training, walking, feeding, etc) I see no problem. Did you do your research on this breed?
  3. I have done extensive research and have spoken to the kennel workers about his personality and how he would do in an apartment. The one issue i’m facing is that my cousin doesn’t believe it’s fair for dogs to live in Apartments . I used to feel the same way until I did my research. I just don’t know how to go about making him see that this is an amazing decision. Also I feel I should add that we are going to be moving out of our apartment this July to move into a house with a nice fenced in backyard.
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  4. Capt. Roxy

    Capt. Roxy Good Dog Premium Member

    Hi, welcome!!
    Just a quick note, shelter dogs' personalities can change once they are settled in. It's a high stress environment so often times they act differently. I really don't believe in shelter evaluations.... I have 3 rescues 2 residents of shelters. Their evaluations were completely off so just keep that in mind. Once you adopt him he is yours and it's your job to set him up for success.
    Apartment living is fine as long as he is given adequate exercise and play time. Of course the fenced yard would do wonders for him too.
    I think the biggest thing for you being a college student is financial stability and time. I know my college years was really rough for me. Life happens and pets can sick and when they are sick or allergy ridden it costs a ton. If you cannot cover those expenses it's better not to commit to a dog just yet.
    Bull breeds in particular are special and not your average dog so please do your full research and utilize this forum and don't forget to read about their history. I'm sure he's a wonderful, amazing, sweet, awesome dog but please don't just go by what the kennel workers are saying. Volunteering for years working closely with bully breeds I know a lot of people who have returned the poor dog due to behavior changes. I"m not saying this is what you would do nor am I saying he will become dog aggressive but these are the things you do need to consider and know before fully committing.
    Do you have any photos of him?!? I bet he's adorable. :)
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  5. ETRaven2

    ETRaven2 Big Dog

    Congrats on the adoption potential! I recently lost my heart dog, but all those feelings you've experienced with Sinatra, I had with my girl and so much more.
    I don't think you should be so concerned with apartment living as long as your BBM is getting adequate exercise (mental and physical) daily.
    Just a note from a fellow adopter, a lot of times dogs don't show their true personalities within a kennel environment, like a rescue. It can take months to a year for a dog to present their quirks. The big concern with bull breeds is dog aggression and/or animal aggression. Please don't mistake this for human aggression, they are not the same thing.
    But Sinatra may be friendly all 4-legged creatures now and one day may not be. Are you aware of this inherent and dominate trait in bull breeds? Are you prepared to manage this trait accordingly? Including not allowing your dog to have an opportunity to hurt another animal, which only fuels the flames of bsl?
    Before you adopt, I suggest you talk to a reputable breeder (key word reputable) and learn all you can about animal aggression and how to manage it. There are also some good stickies and threads in here about animal aggression and bull breeds. If too need help on figuring out how to search the forum, we can help you.
    Please, please, please don't think bc this boy is not animal aggressive right now, be never will be. I think you mentioned he's about 1? It very well could be one he his maturity, his genetics may decide he is not tolerant of other animals. Always be vigilant and good luck.
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  6. Nat Ursula

    Nat Ursula Good Dog

    I think apartments are not so great for bully breed puppies. How old is he? Are you prepared in case he busts out of his crate due to separation anxiety?
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  7. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Staff Member Administrator

    Make sure that fence is high enough. Also, make sure the dog is not a digger. He'll dig right under the fence.
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  8. ETRaven2

    ETRaven2 Big Dog

    This too. I've noticed the propensity for separation anxiety in bull breeds is much higher than a lot of other breeds, and their tenacity to break out of a crate, will be used to their full potential;)
  9. ETRaven2

    ETRaven2 Big Dog

    God OP, I'm reading through this and it sounds a little like I am trying to talk you out of owning a BBM. I am not. They are great dogs, loyal. trainable, energetic, affectionate, amazing dogs. But because they get such bad press, hyper-vigilance and trying extra-extra hard to make them upstanding members of society is extremely important.
    Here's an example, I had a BBM that I recently put down. She bit a child** and had severe fear reactivity which started to manifest into complete human aggression. We tried counter-conditioning, mood stabilizers...you name it, we did it. In the end, Raven was just not wired right and for her safety and the safety of others we made the decision to euthanize her.
    Moving forward, I was discussing her with one of my mom's friends who owns a little chi. She started ranting about how BBMs are unsafe and they need to be culled altogether. Okay, so everyone has their own opinion, right? Now here's the kicker, her chi has a bite history or 8 PEOPLE!!! Count it, 8!!!! She told me anytime anyone gets close to her, to hug her or sit next to her, her chi bites that person. Like, what? 8 times!! How is this okay you ask? Well in her head, the bites never required stitches, only a little blood was drawn and her chi "just loves her mommy".
    Point being, clearly this dog has an extremely worse record than my Raven, but bc my Raven was a BBM, she was automatically labeled the worse dog. The dog that had the unacceptable behavior and I did the right thing by putting her down. It never even occurred to this human that her dog could be wired completely wrong and IMO be PTS as well. But there you have it. This is what we as bull breed owners encounter all the time by Joe Public, just because they are bull breeds. So when we, on the forum, get so passionate about any little mishap, that wemay seem that we are just being neurotic, this is why. We are going into the world already being labeled unfairly and unrightfully prejudiced against.
    **it is not a normal trait for a bull breed to ever be human aggressive and my advice from owning an HA dog is to have the dog euthanized before a bite occurs.
  10. Nat Ursula

    Nat Ursula Good Dog

    You should keep a copy of this so you can repost it every now and then.
  11. Worg

    Worg Big Dog

    To me, there is a difference between someone getting a puppy and putting them in a situation that will change within a few years, and someone rescuing a dog and putting them in that situation. Is it ideal? No, but this dog is already homeless. I got my dog on craigslist, my situation is not the same as yours but I do live in an upstairs apartment, which makes things difficult at times. She was on craigslist for weeks, the previous owner was going to send her to a shelter and she may have been euthanized (she is stranger shy at times, and those dogs have a hard time finding homes). That's just my opinion, again I am not saying it's the ideal situation.

    It's true what others are saying, there are so many behavioral issues that will only become apparent once in a home. Is it possible to foster this dog? Fosters usually have priority if they decide to adopt, it's something to consider. In the least you will be helping this dog by getting him out of a kennel, it could result in him having a loving home with you or he could have a better life with you until another home is found, if you decide he is not for you.

    You're going to have to get some paperwork from management, as I have found when applying for dogs a few months ago. They usually like a piece of paperwork from management/the landlord that states you're allowed a Pit Bull specifically.
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  12. Breebunny

    Breebunny Puppy

    I got my pitbull when I lived in an apartment. We where there from when she was 2 through 7 months old. It was hard (we where also on the third floor and potty training like that was a big pain!) It is very doable if you are committed and able to be ready to put forth the extra effort of getting all the energy out and training. Of course a yard is going to be more ideal but since that is your plan I'm sure you could make it work!
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  13. Novy

    Novy Little Dog Premium Member

    I think Worg makes a really good point. If you can do a trial it would be a good opportunity to see how the situation plays out. Not every dog ownership situation is entirely ideal or perfect, but if the end result is a homeless dog finding a happy and loving home, I see nothing wrong with making something less than ideal work.

    I've seen many idealists (not here) comment that somebody who lives the kind of life I do shouldn't own a dog. I work 12 hour shifts and commute to work. I'm typically gone 14 hours on a work day, but the trade off is when I'm not working I am home a lot as I only work half the days in the year.

    I ended up adopting a deaf dog that in her first three years of life never had the luxury of a stable home. She ended up in the shelter several times as a stray and was passed from one owner to the next in between. She finally ended up being fostered with a rescue, she was with them for nearly a year and had something like 7 trial adoptions that didn't work out. Her foster also worked shift work, so she was sort of used to that life already.

    I wasn't sure how well the situation would work out. At the time I did my trial, my dad was living with me. He worked a typical Monday to Friday, 9 to 5 with lunch at home. So we were able to gradually let her go from being crated to having run of the house. I was fully prepared that it may not go well, but was willing to crate her and make provisions to have her let out and walked during the day, even if I had to pay to do it.

    Maybe I got lucky, or maybe she is just that content having a stable life, but things worked out great. Fully fenced yard, dog door, access to most of the house. There were small learning lessons for me along the way, minor oversights. But she's content and happy, spends most of her time while I'm at work just chilling out. If I'm working night shift she will spends the day sleeping with me. If I go fishing/camping, she comes along. Daily walks, play dates with other dogs. There are lots of "family" dogs in my neighbourhood, where they aren't left alone as long as my dog is, but I am certain they don't get nearly the attention or exercise mine does.
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  14. Lenabarce

    Lenabarce Puppy

    Reading this in 2019. Did you end up getting the pup ?

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