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Pitbull or AmBully, whats every1 take on a name?

Discussion in 'Dog Debates' started by NoV@89, Jun 2, 2012.

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  1. alex123

    alex123 Big Dog

    Your rite joe! Its a waste of peoples time trying to change this idiots mind! Arguing over stupid poinless shit! Hes just trying to piss us off like i said hes narcissistic, What he did was took what we said and switched it around and cut us down! Its typical for a narc! Theirs no arguing with him nobodys gonna win its like trying to argue with a brick wall! So its a waste of peoples time im just gonna sit back and laugh with you joe!:lol:
     
  2. So you guys think that all AST are just for show? And don't perform as working dogs? No many AST perform in working dog activitys just as some APBTs perform in just show rings.

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  3. And no the AST didn't break off just to become a showdog, it broke off because the akc wouldn't take the association with the name pit bull and dog fighting.

    And how are most of you on this forum going to argue when someone asks a dog to be identified on the forum that no one can tell the dog breed without a pedigree but then argue again me that they look nothing alike.

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  4. LilianaLove

    LilianaLove GRCH Dog

    My dog competes in coursing ability tests, should I call her a whippet? My dog trains in agility and flyball, should I call her a border collie? Just because dogs of different breeds compete in the same activities does not make them the same breed.

    Basic working knowledge of the creation of the AST should tell you that the people promoting the breed wanted to differentiate those dogs from fighting dogs. You can't differentiate a breed and breed AWAY from its intended purpose, and still call it the same breed. That's counterintuitive, much like your argument.
     
  5. JoeBingo

    JoeBingo Banned

    Please tell us what registry sanctioned working dog activities/events the AKC has specifically offered for the AST
     
  6. LilianaLove

    LilianaLove GRCH Dog

    Pedigree determines lineage, not visual appearance. I don't understand your argument, once again.
     
  7. DancesWithCurs

    DancesWithCurs Good Dog

    Weight pulling isn't work. Ringsport isn't work either

    The AKC is first and formost a show registry. It only just introduced non earthdog and hound sport, and the AST isn't even allowed to compete in it. So no, the purpose of the AST in the AKC was primarily as a confirmation dog
    A pedigree tells you where the dog comes from, and puts it into clarity. The average person with a street mutt could have anything. One of the most pit bull looking dogs I have ever seen in my life was boxer/lab. We ask if they have a ped because the question asked when people come here is usually "is my dog a pure pit?". And pedigree determines where exactly the dog came from. It doesn't determine what they look like. So what's your point on that?
     
  8. JoeBingo

    JoeBingo Banned

    - In the 1860's ... there were no registries ... no breed names and LOTS of dog matches. The UKC had registry sanctioned dog matches until the early 1950's (pretty dang far from your stated early 20th century and 1860 comment, ya think?) when public pressure prompted them to cease. The ADBA held sanctioned matches all the up until 1976 and only then when matches ceased did the ADBA come up with a breed standard and offer conformation events.

    - In the early 20th century ... the AKC didn't even have an AST breed in it's registry or a standard for the American Staffordshire Terrier ... not until 1936 and NO working dog venues in the AKC for the AST ... conformation only.

    - The AST didn't "break off". The AKC took/accepted a handful of APBTs (no ever producing red noses) and CREATED a name and a breed standard to be used only for conformation show purposes. That breed today is known as the American Staffordshire Terrier (AST).

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    It goes like this ... the people who ask, own dogs that aren't pedigreed and mostly from people like you who think that it's okay to mix breeds. Often the photos posted, most resemble generic mutts/mixed breeds that main stream media and the general public call "pit bull" ... not any one specific purebred dog.

    The APBT and AST, as registries recognize them with cups and ribbons ... DO NOT look alike. ... and then you have the UKC :lol:
     
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  9. Just because dogs didn't have "Official" Standards doesn't mean specific breeds didn't exist and they didn't have names,

    Yes the ADBA allowed sanctioned matches until 1976 when it was outlawed in all states, but it was outlawed in most states in 1860.

    The Apbt they used to create the AST standard already fit that standard so they didn't change anything for show its a Apbt standard with a different name.

    If I buy a Ford and don't like the bad name associated with fords, and register it as a chevy, at the end of the day its still a Ford.

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  10. JoeBingo

    JoeBingo Banned

  11. That's has nothing to do with anything, this is the "American" pbt, even if dog fighting is legal in other countrys the dog will be a different breed because it isn't a working dog like our Apbt its a fighting dog, like the original also its living in a different climate, probably eats different, hence probably has changed into "Insert third world country name here" pit bull terrier.

    And it doesn't matter what you choose that's personal preference.

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  12. Kamdon

    Kamdon GRCH Dog

    That's exactly what I was thinking
     
  13. JoeBingo

    JoeBingo Banned

    prolly a backyard breeder too ... or will/could be :dunno:
     
  14. DancesWithCurs

    DancesWithCurs Good Dog

    Lol no. Just no. An American Pit Bull Terrier in another country doesn't stop making it an American Pit Bull Terrier. Some of the best APBTs you'll find aren't even in the US.
    This is possibly the dumbest thing I have ever heard and makes absolutely no sense.
    APBT overseas:
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    Yeah, I prefer ​a working bred dog
     
  15. LilianaLove

    LilianaLove GRCH Dog

    - Norwegian Elkhound
    - English Bull Terrier
    - Newfoundland
    - Labrador Retriever
    - German Shepherd Dog
    - Irish Wolfhound
    - Scottish Deerhound
    - American Cocker Spaniel
    - English Cocker Spaniel
    - American Foxhound
    - English Foxhound
    - Spinone Italiano
    - American Bulldog
    - Greater Swiss Mountain Dog
    - Bernese Mountain Dog
    - Great Pyrenees (Pyrenean Mountain Dog)
    - Irish Water Spaniel
    - Australian Shepherd
    - Boston Terrier
    - Swedish Valhund
    - Chesapeake Bay Retriever
    - English Setter
    - Irish Setter
    - German Shorthaired/Wirehaired Pointer
    - English Springer Spaniel
    - Welsch Springer Spaniel
    - Scottish Terrier

    This is a list of breeds off the top of my head starting with country/region of origin (except labs, because labs didn't come from labrador). I don't know what country of origin has to do with the individual dog.
     
  16. Yeah you find some amazing American pit bull terriers in other countrys, highly civilized countrys where dog fighting is most likely banned and where they compete in the same competions they do in the US. A Apbt terrier raised in Africa for dog fighting is going to become a different dog due to its environment and what it is bred to do.

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  17. I'm not arguing that where they come from gives them a name, but environment and purpose change a dog.

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  18. DancesWithCurs

    DancesWithCurs Good Dog

    That dog is from a dogfighting kennel, so if that's the argument you were trying to use, it's extremely invalid.

    And that's still dumb as hell. Sorry
     
  19. LilianaLove

    LilianaLove GRCH Dog

    Actually, you were arguing that because it is an AMERICAN pit bull terrier, it would no longer be the same breed in another country even if the function of the breed remained the same, based on "living in a different climate, probably eats different". My point was, look at all of those breeds and explain to me how proper working examples of those breeds are hindered by the country or region in which they live vs the country in which they originated.
     
  20. No don't try to put words in my mouth, I said if the climate is different the dog has different eating patterns and it is used for dog fighting then it is used for a different purpose as the modern day Apbt thus a different dog, because arguing again it if you must but environment does affect change, and purpose is a huge factor.

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