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Pitbull or AmBully, whats every1 take on a name?

Discussion in 'Dog Debates' started by NoV@89, Jun 2, 2012.

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  1. NoV@89

    NoV@89 Puppy

    ok, while replying to another posting where people on here jumped on a new member for calling his "Am Bully" a "Pitbull" me and a few other people had an exchange about calling a dog something its not... other posters were saying that if it isnt a pit then no one should call it a pit, no matter what the dogs PAPERS say it is

    my side on the debate was that if the UKC lets people register a dog that is not a pit, as a pit, then who are we to judge if the owner of the dog calls it a pit? Razors Edge, Gotti, Gator, or wut ever bloodline you wanna go with thats not "technically" a Pit are still registered as Pits. for example i have a dog that is registered with the UKC and ALL of her heritage is RE, so if a RE dog is NOT a pitbull but instead an American Bully, then WHY does UKC let them be registered? i think when this occurs the UKC should send back the paperwork and tell people how to CORRECTLY register their dog with the correct club.

    so my question to everyone is... Where do you all stand on calling an American Bully a Pitbull if it is registered as a pit? Do you all think it is WRONG to call an am bully a pit and vice versa?

    i didnt feel it was THAT big of a deal but apperently others feel VERY strongly about it. where do you stand?
  2. _unoriginal

    _unoriginal Cow Dog

    Call the dog what it is based on its PEDIGREE not what some registry that doesn't recognize all breeds true to their standards says.
  3. Kamdon

    Kamdon GRCH Dog

  4. kady05

    kady05 Krypto Super Dog

    Because UKC likes money, as does just about any dog registry. In a perfect world, UKC would start researching what dogs they register and stop registering dogs with well known (Ex. RE, Gotti, etc.) AmBully lines as APBT's. Of course, it's doubtful that that'll ever happen.
  5. NoV@89

    NoV@89 Puppy

    The American Pit Bull is medium sized, having a short coat and smooth well-defined muscle structure, but should never appear bulky or muscle-bound. Its eyes are round to almond shaped, and its ears are small to medium in length and can be natural or cropped. The tail is slightly thick and tapers to a point. The coat is glossy, smooth, short, and slightly stiff and can be any color except merle. The breed ranges from a height of about 17 to 22 in (43 to 56 cm) at shoulders, females weigh between 30 and 50 lb (14 and 23 kg) and males weigh between 30 and 60 lb (14 and 27 kg).[2]

    American Bully
    United Canine Association breed standards for the American Bully dictate that "The head is large and of medium length, broad skull, very pronounced cheek muscles, distinct stop, short foreface and high set ears.". In addition the American Bully Kennel Club includes an "Extreme" conformation category for dogs with "dogs with heavier body frames and more overall body mass".

    According to the Pitbull advocacy group Pitt Bull Rescue Central the American bully is a "conformationally exaggerated dog with emphasis on extremes: wide, short, jowly and slow-moving. They are not as athletic as their bully breed relatives and may suffer from crippling health problems as they age like English Bulldogs and other breeds bred for a certain look.

    the above info came from wikipedia... now based on those standards BOTH of my dogs more similarly resemble the APBT, my female is exactly the description for it... the only difference my male (avatar) has is that he is 90lbs as opposed to 60... both of my dogs are EXTREMELY athletic, both of them can jog next to the bike for almost an hour (or in most cases they pull it) and thats when its hot, when its cold im sure they would go longer... im not disagreeing with anyone that the names should be correct for each breed, but im saying since AmBullys were created in part from pits then couldnt they also safely be generalized as a pit? asking b/c i dont know too many people who even KNOW theres a difference between the two and media sure as hell aint gonna differenciate my dogs from a pitbull even though the rest of the info in wiki goes on to say that AmBullys are bred to be less aggressive (it says with a 6th gen dog the aggression level could be a lil over 60% less if they were bred specifically to decrease aggression, which my female was)

    trust me every1 im not being difficult or trying to be a pain in the ass, im just a fan of a healthy debate based on the f'ed up practices of the UKC and other dog registeries, and this seems to be a topic every1 feels a certain way about... and when i call a dog a Pit its a VERY generalized term, when people ask me what my dogs are i tell them the female is Razors edge and the male is Razors edge/ Watchdog... and IF i generalize them as a Pit its to try to better the reputation of the breed, if they have n2 ASK if its a pit they cant know too much so why not help the misunderstood breed

    ---------- Post added at 04:00 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:52 PM ----------

    i do this b/c my dogs are VERY well behaved/trained
  6. Bubblz Calhoun

    Bubblz Calhoun Good Dog

    Oh,.. this again,... when if ever will it end. They're not the same breed, they now have their own name, clubs, registry and standards,... so why not use them. Your dog may be registered with the UKC but depending on what Am bully class it falls under, try to show him in the UKC and see what happens. I can register a min pin as a dobie but that doesn't change the fact that it's still a min pin.

    They shouldn't be generalize as Pit Bull anything but more so Bully Breeds
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  7. Kamdon

    Kamdon GRCH Dog

    The 2 breeds don't even look a like.
  8. _unoriginal

    _unoriginal Cow Dog

    Ok.. If you KNOW already that people generalize and don't realize there's a difference between the two, then WHY would you feed into it and allow it to happen?
  9. NoV@89

    NoV@89 Puppy

    so what would you consider my dog (pictured) by just looking at him (pretend you dont already know what he is)... i dont think he fits the Am Bully description very well hbu? and my female looks even less like an am bully

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    the ONLY reason i "feed" into it is b/c i would like to help a VERY misunderstood breed... would it be better if i said, no my am bullys are not one of those crazy pits, NO!! that would help NO ONE... i let people THINK my dogs are pits if they want to b/c they are so0o0o well behaved, so if labeling them a pitbull will change someones mind about the breed then im all for helping, now if someone looks at my dogs and thinks they are pits and then decides to give other pits a chance then i feel like my mission was accomplished
  10. Kamdon

    Kamdon GRCH Dog

    The head on him screams Am bully. Post some pictures of both of your dogs. That picture is hard to see only being a quarter if an inch big
  11. Pink

    Pink GRCH Dog

    I agree.
  12. NoV@89

    NoV@89 Puppy

    They're not the same breed, they now have their own name, clubs, registry and standards,... so why not use them. Your dog may be registered with the UKC but depending on what Am bully class it falls under, try to show him in the UKC and see what happens.

    aahh now see this comment scratches the surface of something... why is the UKC taking peoples money to reg. theior dogs incorrectly and it turn, turning them away when they try to show... this is kind of my whole point about the issue... the UKC obviously knows the dogs are not being reg. correctly AND that they are NOT the same breed so instead of them (UKC) misleading people about their dogs why dont they just correct the issue... then people would have a MUCH easier time KNOWING what to call their dogs... it seems to me that MUCH of the confusion has been CAUSED by the UKC wanting MONEY and not caring what the dog is
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  13. well, you obviously dont know of the APBT's history for you to think that your dog resembles anything remotely close to a real APBT.
    keep reading,searching pedigrees and chatting and you will soon see your dog resembles nothing like a real APBT.
  14. Bubblz Calhoun

    Bubblz Calhoun Good Dog

    If they took the time to actually verify then it may help a bit but not much. Put the blame where it should be and that's with the people that lie about their breeding pairs then register and call the dogs something their not. It's not just a UKC issue or any other registry but the owners as well
  15. NoV@89

    NoV@89 Puppy

    isys.jpg this is my female Isys... sorry this is the only pic i have of her on here and i had 2 get it from the breeders produced page

    gambit2.jpg this si another 1 of Gambit, also the only other 1 i have of him... sorry i used to have a crap load of them on here but had 2 wipe my computer =(
  16. NoV@89

    NoV@89 Puppy

    the one pictured, i agree but he also doesnt fit the am bully description very well either, i just posted pix of both and its the female i think that fit the APBT description better, she FOR SURE doesnt fit the am bully description
  17. Bubblz Calhoun

    Bubblz Calhoun Good Dog

    All breeds vary and they look like Am Bullies to me
  18. NoV@89

    NoV@89 Puppy

    i can also agree again... mine is reg. the way she is b/c that the info she came with, with her i do at least know they didnt lie on the papers tho, but ukc still let her be reg as a pit... maybe if ALL dog owners (not just bully breeds) started giving the UKC shit instead of sending them their money we could get somewhere ;)... me personally, i wont be supporting ANY more dog registries until they get it together, if that means none of my dogs have papers, so be it, i'd rather it that way then pay money to have them be wrong
  19. Believe it or not the UKC is making alot of money also just like the Bully breeders off the APBT name thats why they wont change the name of there dogs in there registries. its not a matter of you not being able to show your razor edge dogs in the UKC, they are registered with that registry. the matter is will you stand a chance with the more to standard UKC type APBT's? you probably wont because your dog is breed to be a bully type of dog and that is not the UKC's standard for their APBT which is basically a amstaff. youd have a better chance if you decide to ever show that dog with one of the bully registries. thats who id register with if i was you and id have nothing to do with the ukc if you dont have a dog that fits there standard. razor edge itself is and has a major part in the bully dog movement. its only a registry and like someone said they are there to make money. ive seen bully dogs at ADBA/AADR shows. he showed them in the ring and people were laughing lol. its not a matter of not being able to show them, its a matter of winning when your dog simply cant becuase its standards are off. you should quit the UKC and get with one of the bully registries who are trying to make a split in the breeds.
  20. NoV@89

    NoV@89 Puppy

    i dont show, but i think i will most likely be pulling my papers from there and put my dogs where they belong with a registry that will recognize them for what they are... i know the breeder i got the female from shows his and they do very well but i dont know where he shows them... and i know that MONEY is the MAIN PROBLEM, america is way too greedy and simple little things like a dogs papers just show how out of control it is =( damn shame
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