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Pit bull babies

Discussion in 'Breeder Discussion' started by Noelle's Mom, Oct 20, 2007.

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  1. Noelle's Mom

    Noelle's Mom Banned

    In response to some comments I have received I felt I should say a few things.

    1st of all, I do not believe in indiscrimate breeding, BUT I do not believe that a purebred is the only way to go either. I would not go searching for a lab or whatever to mix with my APBT but at the same time I would not abort any puppies that come about if that did happen with a fence jumper or something. Now, both my dogs have been spayed so that is not a concern for me, but I'd love ANY puppy that came into my life no matter what breed...or breeds...it happens to be.

    Secondly, yes I do love my dogs as if they were my children. Like children they are given love, proper nutrition, medical care, and discipline. Like children, they depend on me for everything. And like children, they fill a place in my family that is completely and totally theirs. I know that MANY people, some in this forum, agree with me since they also have "dog's mom" as their name. If I had to choose between my child and my dog obviously it would be my child. I do however believe that it is humans and not animals who are overpopulating and destroying this world. If that makes me an AR freak, as I've said before I will gladly accept that title.

    If the moderators do not feel that I belong in this group I will step out without debate.
     
  2. bahamutt99

    bahamutt99 Stealth ninja

    I feel like I missed something interesting...
     
  3. lockjaw

    lockjaw Little Dog

    introductions..do you think......
     
  4. lockjaw

    lockjaw Little Dog

    stop..breath..count to ten....if anything this is one of the nicest forums...if your stressed out take a break..try some other forums...but im pretty sure you will be bashed,chewed up and spit out...and that was me sugar coating it for you..oh here have a smiley:)
     
  5. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Administrator

    No one wants you to leave the forum:). The point is that if someone comes on this forum and says: I'm going to breed my dog to the neighbors dog down the street because I want puppies and I have homes for them and they will be such good puppies doesn't cut it. It only adds to the mess we are in now. And not only that, possibly creating a pit bull that's human aggressive and no one needs that.

    As far as treating your dog like a child, that's your choice. But remember, humans and dogs are different. You can love them, spoil them, let them sleep in your bed at night, but when all is said and done, they are still dogs. I spoil my dog rotten. But I know he's a dog, not a human in fur. :)

    There are alot of members here with different views on things. That's what makes this forum so great to be a part of.

    This is a general statement. Just respect everyone's opinion. No one has to agree with it. Just respect it. :)
     
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  6. Noelle's Mom

    Noelle's Mom Banned

    lmao, I'm part of 3 different forums other then this one and a web group that writes The Pit Lovers Gazette and a face to face group here in town. I don't get bashed, chewed up OR spit out. Most of the places I've been agree with me completely that dogs are not property, they are live creatures deserving of respect.

    And this is how I, and many others like me, educate the ones who do not know this breed. I have 2 now and just gave up one I was fostering. I have studied and researched this breed for the past 20 years, yes since I was 8. My Father wouldn't allow me near one that lived down the road from me so I decided that I wanted to know why.

    And I don't need to stop...breathe...etc... It takes a whole lot more then a few disagreements to raise my blood pressure. I'm an APBT owner, remember?
     
  7. Noelle's Mom

    Noelle's Mom Banned

    Michelle,
    I do respect other's opinions and always will so long as they're not abusive or neglectful. I expect others to respect mine as well since I'm not some kid who just went out and got an APBT so now I know it all. I HAVE done a lot of research and spent years getting to know this breed. No, I do not know it all which is part of the reason I joined this group. There are many knowledgable people on here whose opinions I value greatly.
    But if I see something I feel is wrong I am going to say what my differing opinion is.

    Although I treat my dog like a child, and love her like a child, I do know she's not a human. She's better. Loyal, trustworthy, and loves without prejudice. Man, I wish more people were like dogs.
     
  8. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Administrator

    [quoteAlthough I treat my dog like a child, and love her like a child, I do know she's not a human. She's better. Loyal, trustworthy, and loves without prejudice. Man, I wish more people were like dogs.][/quote]

    So, if you have kids, your dog would be better than the kids?
     
  9. tat2stuff

    tat2stuff Good Dog

    dogs are animals and need to be treated as such. The main reason dogs develop behavioral problems, anxiety issues, etc. is because they are treated like little humans. Dogs have different needs and drives than humans. As far as dogs being better than humans... WOW...I'm not even touching that one. I love my dogs, I treat them with respect and kindness and expect the same in return. I fill their basic needs, food, discipline, exercise, and give them love and attention. They are however still treated like dogs, I would never put them on the same level as another human, they don't understand or benefit from that kind of treatment.
     
  10. maryellen

    maryellen Good Dog

    with over 6 million dogs being euthanized every year in a shelter due to crappy humans, any unwanted/unplanned mix breeding should be spay/aborted.... why add to the overpopulation to begin with when its so hard to find the dogs in shelters/rescues now homes?
    there is a difference in preserving the breed the way it should be and having an oops litter.. if the person cant adhere to the Breeders Code of Ethics then they shouldnt be breeding for the JQ public.. if you are keepng and culling the pups for your own use, and you are keeping the ones that make the cut that is another story.. a good example of a GREAT breeder who unfortunately is no longer with us is www.hartagold.com... what she did for the breed was great... too bad she lost her life due to health issues... there are few breeders who title their dogs the way she did and upheld the proper breeding standards..

    and dogs are animals, not humans, while yes, i prefer dogs to some people, if you treat your dog like a human you will wind up with temperment issues.. of course not every dog will have issues, but most will..
     
  11. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Administrator

    Attention everyone: Please keep this civil. No name calling, no attacking or the thread will be locked. Thank you for your understanding.
     
  12. bahamutt99

    bahamutt99 Stealth ninja

    Ah okay. I think I found the culprit thread. Yeah, defending backyard breeding rather than helping a newcomer to learn about responsible breeding and pet ownership is pretty goofy. People can prefer mutts all they want, and they can go rescue the mutt of their choice without someone specifically breeding them.
     
  13. lockjaw

    lockjaw Little Dog

    :rant2::sucker::butbutbut::thinking::wedgie::slapme:
     
  14. tat2stuff

    tat2stuff Good Dog

    :rofl:
     
  15. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Administrator

    The thing about putting a dog on the same level as a human is that more than likely the dog is going to have some serious issues over time. You would have created a monster. You, the human is alpha, the dog comes under you in that order.
     
  16. tat2stuff

    tat2stuff Good Dog

    I quote myself from another thread rather than retype

    "People seem to forget these are animals not small hairy humans and have different needs and drives than we do that can't be filled being pampered all the time or sleeping on a couch inside all day. They need mental and physical stimulation to keep them healthy and happy. I feel sorry for the pampered house dogs that get lots of human affection but no real exercise or challenges. Bulldogs are working dogs and need to be challenged with a lot of exercise and "real" work (long walks, tracking, flirt pole, spring pole, mill work, agility, hunting, weight pull, etc.) How many dogs(any breed of dog) are in shelter's because their owners neglect to give them what they really need and then blame the dog for being neurotic and destructive."

    as far as the breeding issues I agree with maryellen, there are way too many mutts and substandard dogs out there dragging down our breed, I know, I just put one down. This breed needs a real housecleaning of the bad dogs and bad owners. I've said this for years, I wish this breed would go underground for a good 10 years or so, fall out of the public eye and interest and allow the real devotees to bring the real Bulldog back, before we loose it forever...
     
  17. Cynthia

    Cynthia Good Dog

    I will argee with what everyone has said so far. Yes I also love my dogs. My dogs are spoiled. But they are just that dogs. And they are property. That does not mean that they are treated like an old shoe. But legally they are property. You will have behavioral issues like many have said.

    You have to remember that people breeding all willy nilly is what is destoying this breed. People are not taking into consideration TEMPERMENT. Just "oh you have a pretty dog and I have one so lets breed them"
     
  18. Noelle's Mom

    Noelle's Mom Banned

    I did not say I agreed with backyard breeding but that mutts can be just as amazing as purebreds. I was not defending going out and breeding your dog to make a mixed breed just for the hell of it. I was defending the person who said that because they were slammed like they were the stupidest person in the world. She made a comment that I took to be kinda funny but instead of a chuckle at it and maybe a gentle reminder of why it would be a bad idea to breed she had everyone jump on her. Just like I am getting for daring to love my dogs as more then property.

    As far as my dogs having behavioural issues... they know I am the boss. I am still the alpha. Princess Fiona spent an entire day at the PetSmart here in town yesterday to promote and teach for Pit Bull Awareness Day. She had every breed of dog coming up to her and meeting her...kids laying down on the floor with her...and people and their animals walking by the whole time. We even have one picture of a toy chihuahua who was extremely hyper standing on Fiona's nose and giving her a kiss. The ONLY problem we had was the one time we were stupid enough to walk by the cage with the guinea pigs. She behaved PERFECTLY because that is what I have trained her to do. Just because I love her like she's my child does not mean I let her do whatever she wants. My kids have rules that MUST be followed or they get disciplined. Same as my dogs. I do not spoil my daughter, therefore why would I spoil my dog? Because she works as a clown dog she has no choice but to be perfectly trained. We can't have her pulling at her lead and going nuts when she's in a parade or meeting babies.

    Please visit http://www.luki-loki-clowning.com to see the picture. It's SOOOO cute!

    And as far as the comment about are my dogs "better" then my daughter. In some ways yes, just as they are better then me. Dogs do not start wars with nuclear weapons. They do not create pollution that is killing the planet.
     
  19. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Administrator

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