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Overpopulation, is there a solution?

Discussion in 'Dog Debates' started by PNWPBR, Aug 9, 2007.

  1. 6pack1%er

    6pack1%er Good Dog

    Send the dogs to an asian country with a rule that anyone dropping a dog off has to pay for the transport,anyone caught dumping a dog would be charged with a transport fee.
    Fix to the problem and feed's the hungry
  2. G-X

    G-X Big Dog

    cull all the fur mommies who thing there dogs would make pretty puppies
  3. buddysmom

    buddysmom Good Dog

    An Asian country like Israel?

    Do you really think that everyone in Asia eats dogs?
  4. omgrobyn

    omgrobyn GRCH Dog

    I say get some celebrities to start going on and on about how great eating dog and cat is, and how it makes you lose weight or something like that. Plaster that all over the tv shows for a couple of months, and no one will remember how it used to be thought of as gross or barbaric or whatever.

    Although I'm pretty sure they're already put in our fast food.
  5. simms

    simms Good Dog

    Who cares LOL. The point is there are ppl that are starving in third world countries. Yet we hold these resources at a higher value than hungry folk LOL. It is sick how waistful the USA is. An it damn sure don't make any sense that some one here in the USA would go to bed hungry. If the meat is dressed, most wouldn't know unless you told them.
  6. mstngchic2012

    mstngchic2012 Good Dog

    Why an Asian country? Why not feed our hungry here in the states? I personally have always wondered what it would be like to eat dog/cat...
  7. G-X

    G-X Big Dog

    get a stray and find out
  8. bullybaby

    bullybaby Puppy

    I think that the best way to decrease overpopulation is to have strict licensing and certification placed on breeders and for as many pet owners to have their pets spayed and neutered.

    There are a lot of people out there who feel incredibly strong about this issue and don't want their dogs to be altered. I used to live where neutering and spaying was mandatory unless you possessed a license/payed a fee to keep your dog intact. Unfortunately, now that I've moved to a place where it isn't mandatory, I can't say I see more "fixed" dogs here than I did in my old neighborhood. Unfortunately there will always be people who won't comply with neutering/spaying laws, or refuse to see the burden of unaltering. The best we can often do is just talk to people and try to explain to them why overpopulation is such an issue.
  9. mstngchic2012

    mstngchic2012 Good Dog

    Yes, lets let the government have more control over our property rights. And do you really think that more licensing fees/certifications is going to stop BYB or breeding illegally?
  10. LilianaLove

    LilianaLove GRCH Dog

    Euthasol and incinerators. Don't like it? Don't breed.
  11. mstngchic2012

    mstngchic2012 Good Dog

    ^^ Agreed!
  12. Sabrina

    Sabrina Moderator

    This thread just makes me want to cry. :(
  13. ganja

    ganja Good Dog

    to think that mandatory spay/neuter will stop overpopulation and backyard breeders is quite foolish IMO.

    "pit bulls" are illegal to own in france... they have BSL on top of the outright ban, which in turn should make it slightly harder to breed because of the regulations going with owning certain breeds of dog.
    they can not own apbt's, or anything unpapered that falls into a certain physical description the law gave of the "pit bull" dogs.
    they can own amstaffs and sbt though, as those dogs are recognized as a breed over there, but they must be registered with the LOF.
    they must be muzzled, they need insurance for their dogs, can't be off leash, must pass their conformation in front of a judge at 15 months old, ...

    trust me, I could easily buy over a 100 "pit bull" (usually unpapered amstaffs) pups a day if I wanted to over there.
    and none of them are bred correctly.

    I've NEVER seen so many low quality amstaff pups being sold as the last couple of years.. it's getting ridiculous, EVERYONE breeds their amstaff over there.

    responsible breeders are in the minority, although it shouldn't be considering the strict regulations..

    IMO it would only stop responsible breeders from breeding as the costs would just run way to high, and you'd see an even bigger increase in poorly bred dogs..

    then again, to some they never pay enough and shouldn't even be breeding at all, regardless of how well bred the dogs may be :rolleyes:
  14. bullybaby

    bullybaby Puppy

    As unfortunate as it would be on our property rights to have certification for breeders or spaying/neutering legally mandatory for household pets, it would at least make some difference in overpopulation. Some people would be scared into complying. Spay and neuter laws are already in place in some cities, but even so it isn't checked properly, so you're right, it likely wouldn't do much good in the long run.

    I'm not sure what it's like all over, but where I am it costs about $400 to alter your pet. That cost alone is enough to deter most people from considering spay/neuter. Even the low-cost programs are difficult for lots of people to qualify for.

    The only other option I see really is LOTS of education to the public, however if it isn't in the form of sensationalism or pop-culture I don't expect people to really pay attention, and if they did, would they care enough to implement that knowledge into their lives? Like mentioned before, property rights, what American wants to be told how or what to do with thier property? Most would just say "it's my dog, I'll do what I want." And if they want to not care, than that's what they'll do.
  15. adjecyca

    adjecyca Good Dog

    Kill more dogs.

    I don't think we will ever loose those "bybers" or owners who dont think twice about getting rid of a dog like a toy and i feel now the only real /possible solution is that the dogs pay the price
  16. buddysmom

    buddysmom Good Dog

    A massive PR campaign done RIGHT by professionals. Talking about a New York firm like Fleishman-Hillard.

    Not by the self serving buffoons at ASPCA or H$U$ who make their livings on the backs of suffering animals whose salaries RELY on pet overpopulation; that is similar to the so-called anti-smoking campaigns run by Philip Morris that are subliminally designed to actually keep people from quitting. Contrast that with the "Truth" campaign that is real. That is what is needed.
  17. Gatorpit

    Gatorpit Good Dog

    I don't think licensing is a bad idea...I just don't think it should be based on expensive fees.

    Base it on other criteria. For example,

    If I wanted to get a tiger, I'd have to get a license. However, it doesn't matter how much money I have-- I cannot get that license unless I

    A) have documented 1000 hours of volunteer work around big cats
    B) can pass a test on tigers and their care
    C) have a specially built enclosure built to at least minimum licensing specifications
    D) submit to annual and surprise inspections by fish & game

    The license fee is around $500, with annual renewals of $50 (last I checked). It's not the cost of the license that deters people, it's the other qualifications.

    Obviously, I don't think dog breeders should have the EXACT same requirements, but any that would deter bybs and puppymills. Most of these things the "good" breeders will already be doing.

    This way, it won't financially discourage good breeders. If you try to base it on scaring people away with cost, you're assuming that only the poor breed their dogs indiscrimanately.

    Also, along with all the other reasons people mentioned as to why it wouldn't work, here's another.

    As someone else mentioned, in order to offset the cost of the fees, they'd have to raise puppy prices. Maybe...or, they could breed MORE puppies. And now that BYBs are out of business, the demand will have skyrocketed. Many, many will fall right into byb practices out of greed.

    It would actually encourage the mass producing of puppies as cheaply as possible. It will become a much more lucrative business oppertunity. There'd be more "professional bybs". They would pay the fees, as they can easily offset it by mass producing cheaply raised pups that are now in tremendous demand.

    ---------- Post added at 05:55 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:52 PM ----------

    And yes, the tiger anology DOES apply...

    Just think of how many idiots would have tigers and crap if it were ONLY a matter of money?
  18. dogadvocate

    dogadvocate Puppy

    I think genuine education is the key. Educate shelters to encourage adoption, encourage the public to adopt a shelter animal. I think No Kill has the right idea. It will take years and in the meantime those poor unwanted animals will die.
  19. 6pack1%er

    6pack1%er Good Dog

    Tastes pretty damn good with soy sauce and rice
  20. omgrobyn

    omgrobyn GRCH Dog

    My town just passed a mandatory s/n law for pit bulls, because idiots in my neighborhood, and the other handful of shitty areas here breed their pit bulls like crazy.

    Until January 2011, you can speuter a pit bull for free as long as the address on your drivers license says you live here. And you have till January to do so, or you get fines, misdemeanors, and eventually I believe your dog is taken.

    This is to lower the pit bull population and prevent attacks, it's also BSL. And I can guarantee you it won't work, and in a couple years, the idiots who proposed this will be at city council demanding a ban, or some other stupid shit.

    The humane society has been doing free speuters on pit bulls for this area since last winter I believe, and I haven't seen any change. Same amount of "blue pittbull pups 4 sale" signs everywhere. Same amount of prego or in heat dogs, and unaltered males running around. Same number of people with brand new pups. And they put up a HUGE billboard right downtown where most people drive by once a week at least.

    But, the humane society, who's bitching about having to put so many pit bulls down (boo fucking hoo, it's your goddamn job, you work at a shelter), is claiming that their program is a big success, and are the ones who got the stupid law to pass.

    Needless to say I'm fixing up my house so I can sell it as soon as some retarded law is proposed.

    Lets just start eating all the damn animals. If every household in America ate a dog or cat a week, overpopulation would be taken care of in a couple of months. Slap some honey mustard on that cat and pass it this way.

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