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"out crossing"breeds

Discussion in 'Dog Debates' started by adjecyca, Sep 17, 2012.

  1. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    I agree; and in fact there has been more and more written about this the last 10-12 years because of the dire situation many purebreds find themselves in. It all started for the most part with this article that I still think is one of the most interesting I've ever read...

    Purebred Dog Breeds into the Twenty-First Century: Achieving Genetic Health for Our Dogs

    Purebred dogdom is even now in serious trouble through a general failure to distinguish between what is necessary to establish a breed and what is desirable to continue that breed in perpetuity......

    .....To begin with, we absolutely must open CKC stud books (article written by a Canadian), in every breed, to new genetic inflow. There can be no long-term genetic health in small populations such as our registered breeds without the periodic infusion of new genetic material. The one big "sacrifice" we shall have to make, if it is really a sacrifice, is to abandon racist attitudes and the concept of rigorous breed purity. We must recognize that first of all, a dog is a dog, species...

    Bolding mine.It's a long article, but try to stick with it....it was written in 1996 and does ring true when you think about what has happened in England recently with the desire to get breeders to quit breeding gross exaggerations in certain breeds.

    Also, here is the story of the Dalmation backcross project, also very interesting.

    The Backcross Project by Joanne Nash

  2. CallSignOWL

    CallSignOWL Good Dog

    I think just opening registration will be one of the biggest things that could help right now. Get fresh blood and all that
  3. cliffdog

    cliffdog Good Dog

    Excellent post Carla! :)
  4. visiongee

    visiongee Little Dog

    I do agree it may be ok in certain breeds that need it, but the APBT is not one of them. I just feel APBT when pure are just fine very healthy strong intelligent robust dogs a well finished product genetically speaking.
  5. cliffdog

    cliffdog Good Dog

    I don't think anyone here is talking about APBTs.
  6. visiongee

    visiongee Little Dog

    Great insight on the Dalmatian. I also agree about the doberman and a few other breeds that could benefit. I know some show German Shepherds that could have used this long ago.
  7. adjecyca

    adjecyca Good Dog

    Akitas please, i wonder what a good outcross for that breed would be?
  8. K9 Love

    K9 Love Good Dog

    Don't know anything about Akitas, but the first breed that pops into my brain is Malamute. :lol:

    Chows are very square and straight in the back, but I imagine that would really mess with coat. But that's just an uneducated POV!
  9. cliffdog

    cliffdog Good Dog

    Show GSDs don't need an outcross really, they just need to be crossed back to working type GSDs. But that would ruin their conformation, horror of horrors!!
  10. adjecyca

    adjecyca Good Dog

    Why not just cull all the show gsds?The working gsds are the only ones worth anything and they can be bred to other working gsds?
  11. Celestial88

    Celestial88 Good Dog

    Irish Wolfhounds could probably benefit greatly from it
  12. CallSignOWL

    CallSignOWL Good Dog

    malamutes look like a close match; what about Shiba Inu, basenji, or finish spitz? Similar spitz type dogs.
  13. Leslie H

    Leslie H Good Dog

    AKC Basenji breeders went back to villages in Africa in order to get dogs that carried positive genetic traits (structure and health related) that had been bred right out of the registered gene pool.
  14. CallSignOWL

    CallSignOWL Good Dog

    hey look a GSD with a proper stack, but without those crappy hips!

  15. cliffdog

    cliffdog Good Dog

    The show people would NEVER stand for that. I would say cull most of the breeds today.
  16. Celestial88

    Celestial88 Good Dog

    GSDs and crappy hips are mostly myth, and there are still plenty of dogs that are good examples of the breed. Actually that dog looks to have a very bad hindend, looks very weak.

    APBTs rank higher on the OFA's page for HD frequency than GSDs actually
  17. cliffdog

    cliffdog Good Dog

    Are you talking about show GSDs? Because I have a hard time believing that.
  18. Celestial88

    Celestial88 Good Dog

    Why would I specify to just show? o.O Was in general, the breed as a whole. Plenty of good dogs from working lines, actually have seen some nice dogs from American show but I don't know of any that are alive atm
  19. cliffdog

    cliffdog Good Dog

    Adjecyca was referring to show GSDs and I believe CSO was referring to show GSDs when she mentioned crappy hips, that's why I was asking. I'm sure everyone here knows there are lots of good working GSDs, I don't think anyone was putting them down or saying they should be culled. Just the working lot.
  20. Celestial88

    Celestial88 Good Dog

    Blagh, thank you Cliff. I should stop scanning, I only read the post with a picture. I agree with your earlier post. Though at least West German showlines still don't tend to have bad hips. I believe it may be a requirement for their registry in order for the pups to be registered.
    Last year's winner just for an example of the testing
    2X VA1 Remo vom Fichtenschlag - German Shepherd Dog (no I'm not a fan of West German showline dogs)

    Weak hocks, weak pasterns, overly angulated hind ends, poor temperament are most things that plague showlines, not so much hip issues.

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